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Old 11-07-2012, 12:26 PM   #14176
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I had a GSA and hated the ABS. Im doing mostly off road with my bikes and it was terrible.
The ABS in the ST is much, much better but I prefer also riding without it in dirt. So I added a switch to disable it wherever I want. Simple and not expensive.

About the wheels: Pluric use to destroy it, but if you look at this pic you can understand why. In the rest of "normal" people they work ok.
Oh so you little fruit flys are now "normal"?. In America I am the new normal.
I like that shot because I'm down a few pounds.

Everytime I walk by the bike I swear I hear a little groan.

Me and Old Git Ray may just have to come by and straighten you out.

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Old 11-07-2012, 12:31 PM   #14177
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The dealer here wont give me a test ride
I see you live in the Bay area, the IMS will be in San Mateo on the 16-18 of Nov and the Yamaha DEMO truck will be there with Super Tenere's that they would be more then happy to let you demo....

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Old 11-07-2012, 12:32 PM   #14178
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Me and Old Git Ray may just have to come by and straighten you out.
Lucky there is a big sea between us...
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Old 11-07-2012, 12:35 PM   #14179
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my friends all said " i wouldnt trust abs" and 'my brain works faster than a computer" ... or "you will really be fucked the time it doesnt work"

what a bunch of dumbasses. a computer is much more reliable than me and the one time it doesnt work the big yellow light on my dash will tell me it isnt working. ill take my chances. it has saved my ass more than once. i dont care if im going downhil, in a off camber turn on golfball sized rocks hot. my bike stopped when 3 others flew into the woods... a ktm990, ktm 690, and drz400.... while the s10 hit the front brake hard and pulled over to the inside and watched the mayhem.
i think the difference is the unified braking. the other thing my friends wouldnt like. but it stops the bike. period.

i have noticed that everyone that doesnt like it or wouldnt want it are guys that have not actually got in the seat and tried it

and maintenance is so minimal and inexpensive it is retarded. not to mention the bike costs 10G less than a gsa1200 (not even counting the 3yr 10G maintenance schedule required to maintain the warranty)
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Old 11-07-2012, 12:43 PM   #14180
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Lucky there is a big sea between us...
Ya but, I can still do this...
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Old 11-07-2012, 01:15 PM   #14181
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No new BMW for me

How difficult is it servicing the Tenere?
I suggest you try both ABS systems. I don't have a clue how well the new BMW ABS will work, but the S10 works pretty well nearly everywhere for 98% of riders. The only thing I can say is I know the YAMAHA is good. I ASSUME BMW have later generation ABS in the new model. Even then it depends on how they set it up.

The YAMAHA has the option of separating the linked system on the fly by using your rear brake before the front.

As far as Servicing goes, you will never get a service needed nag screen on the YAMAHA. It's pretty much standard Japanese, It has easy access to electrical, filter, oil filter, It takes 2 minutes to "pull your pumpkin" if you want to inspect the shaft, Shaft oil changes are easy. The ABS can be disabled easily multiple ways, Pull a fuse, remove a sensor etc. The systems on the bike fail gracefully. You end up with a standard bike if traction control and ABS fail.

Its built as tough as a brick shithouse. It is slightly better off road than the "last" BMW and I bit less "sharp" on road.

It's a good thing. No excuses necessary for buying one. You don't really need to "split the bike in half" if some seals needed.

Valve adjustments are easier to get to on the current BMW, but the YAMAHA is like the Strom. It may need some shim changes at some stage in its life.

The paint on the BMW is nicer by a bit and there are some nice cosmetic touches. It's up to you to decide how much paint is worth, because it seems that below the paint lurks some concerns.

The GS is not directly comparable to the S10 neither is the GSA. The S10 sits somewhere between the two. The GSA arena is really where the S10 competes. I don't think BMW intended for the GS to be the "long range adventure bike" it just ended up like that much like the V-STroms.

The YAMAHA has now gone 3 years with pretty much no issues with anything major. There are some little niggles though but nothing too expensive. It's not going to be perfect like any bike. YAMAHA so far have been pretty good about warranty stuff as well but that will vary between "importers" but it seems most of them got the memo about not screwing customers.
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Old 11-07-2012, 01:26 PM   #14182
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To me even if the ABS is best ever on a motorcycle (maybe it is, this is my first ABS motorcycle), I wish it wasn't quite so sensitive. I can be braking at 10mph and hit one speckle of sand on the road and feel the ABS kick in. Even with the clutch pulled in simply downshifting to first on a bone dry road many times just the clunk from second to first while braking I can feel the brakes release. I'm all for ABS in a panic brake, but really don't want or need it every day during normal braking. Maybe if it was more like the traction control and give the option of ABS-1 or ABS-2. I'd be happy with 2 for "limited" ABS. As it is now it's definately ABS-1, no lock, not even a smidgeon and anyone that says they can't feel it is in a different boat than I am. I can feel it several times a day even on dry roads. I can ride my big boat Goldwing without ABS and enjoy my everyday braking more, if braking can ever be considered enjoyable that is.
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Old 11-07-2012, 02:23 PM   #14183
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... Brake pads last a looooong time...
I agree with everything you said but this. Rear brake pads go much quicker on this bike than just about any other. This is very well documented here and on the S10 forum; with most reports saying 7000-12000 miles per set of rear pads (although there are definitely out-layers). Luckily they're cheap, and literally take 2 minutes to swap out.


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To me even if the ABS is best ever on a motorcycle (maybe it is, this is my first ABS motorcycle), I wish it wasn't quite so sensitive. I can be braking at 10mph and hit one speckle of sand on the road and feel the ABS kick in.
I've noticed this, but it doesn't bug me one bit. Doesn't hurt anything, doesn't cause any problems, doesn't matter to me.

That being said, I do think we could simply have 3 modes:
Touring = Heavy engine dampening for fuel economy, serious traction control, and serious ABS.
Sport = Less engine dampening (like OEM sport mode), Less traction control (TC2), and less ABS (front wheel only?).
OFF = No engine dampening (clutch switch mod), no traction control, and no ABS.

I've never understood the need to have traction control separate from Sport and Touring mode, I thought they generally went hand in hand.
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Old 11-07-2012, 02:43 PM   #14184
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You do? How is that hooked up?
Just take it as granted I am not going to like ABS , anywhere. I Ilike to use the brakes and be in complet control of them. It is a lot more fun for me
Here ya go.

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Old 11-07-2012, 02:44 PM   #14185
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I agree with everything you said but this. Rear brake pads go much quicker on this bike than just about any other. This is very well documented here and on the S10 forum; with most reports saying 7000-12000 miles per set of rear pads (although there are definitely out-layers). Luckily they're cheap, and literally take 2 minutes to swap out.

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Speaking of, now that the whole oil thing has been covered, what brake pad preference does
everybody have? Sintered, organic, semi metallic, kevlar organic....
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Old 11-07-2012, 03:05 PM   #14186
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Speaking of, now that the whole oil thing has been covered, what brake pad preference does
everybody have? Sintered, organic, semi metallic, kevlar organic....
Stock?
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Old 11-07-2012, 03:14 PM   #14187
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I would have preferred stock, but I just bought whatever the dealership had on the shelf, which happened to be EBC HH Sintered pads. Talked them down to price matching the OEM's online price of $26 or there about.
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Old 11-07-2012, 03:17 PM   #14188
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I agree with everything you said but this. Rear brake pads go much quicker on this bike than just about any other. This is very well documented here and on the S10 forum; with most reports saying 7000-12000 miles per set of rear pads (although there are definitely out-layers). Luckily they're cheap, and literally take 2 minutes to swap out.



I can only speak to my own experience, but both the front and rear pads on my lasted more than 21,000 miles... And both could have gone farther. I just swapped them because I was there, prepping for an upcoming 2,500+ mile trip.

That said, I rarely, if ever, touch the rear brake pedal.




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Speaking of, now that the whole oil thing has been covered, what brake pad preference does everybody have? Sintered, organic, semi metallic, kevlar organic....


I was so impressed with the performance, feel, and durability of the stock Yamaha pads that's what I went with.

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Old 11-07-2012, 03:29 PM   #14189
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Speaking of, now that the whole oil thing has been covered, what brake pad preference does
everybody have? Sintered, organic, semi metallic, kevlar organic....
I am at 13K and it looks like I will need rear pads with in a couple thousand miles. Must be the linked thing as I rarely use the rear brake pedal. For example my old ZX11 had the original rear pads when I sold it with 80K on it.

I have always had good luck with EBC HH pads and will probably try them. I know they are harder on the rotors but I like how they work and like how they last. Usually they are also a lot cheaper. However, I did find OEM pads on line at one place for $22 and change. I haven't checked the price of EBC's yet.
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Old 11-07-2012, 03:35 PM   #14190
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I would have preferred stock, but I just bought whatever the dealership had on the shelf, which happened to be EBC HH Sintered pads. Talked them down to price matching the OEM's online price of $26 or there about.
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I can only speak to my own experience, but both the front and rear pads on my lasted more than 21,000 miles... And both could have gone farther. I just swapped them because I was there, prepping for an upcoming 2,500+ mile trip.

That said, I rarely, if ever, touch the rear brake pedal.

I was so impressed with the performance, feel, and durability of the stock Yamaha pads that's what I went with.

Dallara

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Weird, after riding to Alaska not being able to use a rear brake, I don't use it much either.

When I just changed out the rear wheel I didn't think the pads were bad at 9K. I thought I would
look closer at the front tonight.

I'm an online guy. The closest Yamaha dealer burned bridges with me years ago on my first FJR
purchase. I even worked there for 8 years as a youngster. Next closest is maybe 20 minutes away
I just never seem to have a need to go there.

So got on ebay and there are too many choices. So that's why the opinion question. I can find stock
parts on another site. Maybe I'll just get out of the office and support the brick and mortar guys.

Hence the confusion..

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw...e+pad&_sacat=0
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