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Old 11-12-2012, 06:54 PM   #14266
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Old 11-12-2012, 10:14 PM   #14267
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I found the heat grips on my GS to be great. I use then all the time.
Yamaha wants $400 for heat grips on the Tenere. The grips have a dial control instead of a three position switch on my GS. This switch is easy for me to use while I ride and I have been happy with it.
How is this option working for you?

Are you happy with Yamaha’s saddle bags? They look cheap in the pictures I’ve seen but the cost is a $1,000 with the mounts.
Are the bags easy to remove once on?

Yamaha doesn’t recommend a top box with the bags. I wonder about that. I carry a lot of stuff on the back of my bike when I am traveling.
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Old 11-12-2012, 10:19 PM   #14268
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Yamaha doesn’t recommend a top box with the bags. I wonder about that. I carry a lot of stuff on the back of my bike when I am traveling.
YAMAHA says lots of things to keep them away from the courts. Not an issue really. Just load it up and go.

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Old 11-12-2012, 11:06 PM   #14269
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I found the heat grips on my GS to be great. I use then all the time.
Yamaha wants $400 for heat grips on the Tenere. The grips have a dial control instead of a three position switch on my GS. This switch is easy for me to use while I ride and I have been happy with it.
How is this option working for you?


And how much more expensive is the Beemer G/S than the Super Ténéré?

And if the cost of the Yamaha heated grips is such an issue there are plenty of other alternatives.



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Are you happy with Yamaha’s saddle bags? They look cheap in the pictures I’ve seen but the cost is a $1,000 with the mounts.
Are the bags easy to remove once on?


I love my Yamaha bags on my Super Ténéré, and they have performed flawlessly for over 24,500 miles. And they come on and off almost instantly... Just a couple of seconds.

Oh, and they're made by exactly the same company that builds those even more expensive BMW G/S side cases!



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Yamaha doesn’t recommend a top box with the bags. I wonder about that. I carry a lot of stuff on the back of my bike when I am traveling.


Well, once again, I've traveled all over the country in the past year and couple of months on my S-10, and have carried lots of stuff on the back, both on the stock Yamaha rack and the AltRider rack I have now... All without issue. Granted, I don't use a top box, but I do use heavily laden soft bags back there. No problems whatsoever. No material issues. No damages. Nothing.

Of course, there is one truly great thing about the Super Ténéré compared to a G/S...

It's a Yamaha. That means you never have to worry about final drive issues, frequent valve clearance checks, poor quality fuel line clamps, finicky throttle body adjustment, moronic CAN-BUS fiascoes, sensitive dry-clutch shenanigans, outrageously high parts prices, even more insanely high initial bike purchase price (i.e. Roundel Tax), etc., etc., etc.

You can certainly hunt and find all sorts of reasons to not like any bike if you try hard enough... Goodness knows I found plenty of those for not buying a BMW.

But then again, I owned a couple of BMW's before I started trying to find reasons not to own another one!

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Old 11-12-2012, 11:50 PM   #14270
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Any idea how the fuel transfers?
No. They will present the bike in the EICMA show in Milano:

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Old 11-13-2012, 01:18 AM   #14271
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YAMAHA says lots of things to keep them away from the courts. Not an issue really. Just load it up and go.

Does anyone know what type (and where from) those throw over tank bags are ??
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Old 11-13-2012, 01:35 AM   #14272
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I found the heat grips on my GS to be great. I use then all the time.
Yamaha wants $400 for heat grips on the Tenere. The grips have a dial control instead of a three position switch on my GS. This switch is easy for me to use while I ride and I have been happy with it.
How is this option working for you?

Are you happy with Yamaha’s saddle bags? They look cheap in the pictures I’ve seen but the cost is a $1,000 with the mounts.
Are the bags easy to remove once on?

Yamaha doesn’t recommend a top box with the bags. I wonder about that. I carry a lot of stuff on the back of my bike when I am traveling.
There are multiple options for bags, that just happen to include what Yamaha offers. For a month-long ride, below are the heavy duty welded aluminum MuffinTops for $400, mounted on SW-Motech racks, plus a 52L Givi topbox.

As for top boxes and weight, like Graham showed, the bike is a mule. Many of us are running heavy and the bike had no problem pushing this set-up to more than 115 mph (gps) on an open desert road.
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Old 11-13-2012, 02:26 AM   #14273
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Many of us are running heavy and the bike had no problem pushing this set-up to more than 115 mph (gps) on an open desert road.
Dunno.... I just dont get it??????

65>70mph is fine for me = I sort of like taking in where I am while getting to where I am going. It's all about the WHOLE journey for me. Not just having been there!!!

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Old 11-13-2012, 02:51 AM   #14274
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Does anyone know what type (and where from) those throw over tank bags are ??
At first glance they look like Aerostich.

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Old 11-13-2012, 04:46 AM   #14275
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GREAT idea from Diapason!!!
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Old 11-13-2012, 06:10 AM   #14276
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This is a 10 litres tank under the seat made from Diapason Racing, a italian Yamaha dealer. I think is a good idea.
The pegs are not welded.


That's awesome! My ECU and panniers are from Diapason/Tosco. They aren't the fastest people in the world, but they have some good ideas for products. Looks like I might be sending some more emails to Moto Shop Yamaha since another winter-farkling session will soon begin.

Italian Customs is a pain, and the duty was quite expensive for my panniers...I also had to wait 2 months for them. They finally figured out that their courier LOST the first set of panniers they sent, so I didn't get any panniers until 2 months after I ordered them. The fuel tank is very tempting; I might be returning for more punishment
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Old 11-13-2012, 07:43 AM   #14277
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And how much more expensive is the Beemer G/S than the Super Ténéré?

And if the cost of the Yamaha heated grips is such an issue there are plenty of other alternatives.
But then again, I owned a couple of BMW's before I started trying to find reasons not to own another one!
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I think MSRP on a GS is about a thousand more then the Tenere.

Cost for the Heated Grips was not a real issue but I wish they came on the bike. The real issues are how well do they work and the ease of controlling them while riding.

As I recall BMW Vario bags were $350 apiece, this included mounts. These are very nice bags in many ways but they are not rugged at all. A simple drop of the bike can destroy one.

My GS is a pretty nice bike, guy. I have had a lot of fun on it and it always runs great, 80 thousand miles. I did have a lot of trouble with the GS but it was mostly covered under warranty, which is terrific.
I was going to buy another BMW but I don’t want what they have done to their braking system and also, I hate the dealers here.
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Old 11-13-2012, 08:41 AM   #14278
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I found the heat grips on my GS to be great. I use then all the time.
Yamaha wants $400 for heat grips on the Tenere. The grips have a dial control instead of a three position switch on my GS. This switch is easy for me to use while I ride and I have been happy with it.
How is this option working for you?

Are you happy with Yamaha’s saddle bags? They look cheap in the pictures I’ve seen but the cost is a $1,000 with the mounts.
Are the bags easy to remove once on?

Yamaha doesn’t recommend a top box with the bags. I wonder about that. I carry a lot of stuff on the back of my bike when I am traveling.

The Yamaha heated grips get much hotter than the 2 position bmw heated grips ever did. But for a lot less money, you could opt for Oxford heated grips..

There are lot of aftermarket luggage options. I like using a Givi 55 liter topcase on an altrider top plate. Since switching from a 12GSA, I've never looked back and have had zero issues with the S10. It has turned out to be my favorite bike of all.
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Old 11-13-2012, 08:58 AM   #14279
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Laugh Sounds like you really want a Beemer, though...

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I think MSRP on a GS is about a thousand more then the Tenere.

Base price to base price, maybe... But have you ever actually tried to buy a "base" BMW?

I don't know about the "Bay Area" where you're from, but down here you can't find any Beemer without two or three of their "packages" already stuffed on there.

For instance, just look at BMW's own website for a 2012 G/S (I didn't see prices on the new 2013 model yet): http://www.bmwmotorcycles.com/us/en/...gs_main_1.html

They show the "base price" of the G/S as $14,990, but then show the bike with the "Standard Package" (which includes Heated Grips, ABS, and Saddle Bag Mounts) as having a price of $16,935.

ABS comes standard on the Super Ténéré, and it's 2012 MSRP was only $14,500 (http://www.yamaha-motor.com/sport/pr...1/1/specs.aspx). That's a whopping $2,435 dollar (15%) "Roundel Premium" to get heated grips and some bag mounts. Pretty pricey...

BTW, Yamaha's bag mounts are only $189.95... (http://www.yamaha-motor.com/sport/pr.../1/detail.aspx)

Add the $399 Yamaha heated grips and you're *STILL* $1,846 cheaper than the BMW, and you got nearly a gallon more fuel capacity, valves that go over 24,000 miles between adjustments, a shaft drive set-up that doesn't have issues or need a shim-guru to set-up properly, and ABS brakes that actually work...



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As I recall BMW Vario bags were $350 apiece, this included mounts. These are very nice bags in many ways but they are not rugged at all. A simple drop of the bike can destroy one.


Well, like I said... The Yamaha bags have been great for me, and I've dropped the bike twice with no damage to the bags either time. In fact, the bags are tough enough they actually bend the lower footpeg mount slightly without damaging the bag. Don't ask me how I know this... But 30 seconds with a big crescent wrench and the bracket was straight again.

But since you think the BMW bags are not up to your standards then why are you asking about the Yamaha standard bags? Seems a bit like comparing apples to aircraft carriers if you are comparing Yammie bags to ones like Jesses, but yet giving the Beemer bags a pass...




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My GS is a pretty nice bike, guy. I have had a lot of fun on it and it always runs great, 80 thousand miles. I did have a lot of trouble with the GS but it was mostly covered under warranty, which is terrific.
I was going to buy another BMW but I don’t want what they have done to their braking system and also, I hate the dealers here.


I had a lot of fun on my Beemers, too... But then again, I've had fun on just about every motorcycle of the literally dozens and dozens I've owned over the decades. Yet, unless BMW can solve a ton of issues they have, from their quality control to strength of materials to price structure to parts prices to dealer network to customer service attitude, etc., etc., etc., then I'll never own another one. OTOH, I've owned a bunch of Yamaha's over the years, and they have been much more reliable, less expensive to maintain, easier to work on, less maintenance intensive, etc. They just flat work.

And I've met a lot more *good* Yamaha dealers than I have BMW ones.

But that's just my two centavos... OMMV.

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Old 11-13-2012, 09:50 AM   #14280
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And don't forget the base GS comes with cast wheels and you need to pay extra for the tubeless spoked wheels that come standard on the SuperTen.
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