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Old 11-11-2012, 03:08 PM   #14266
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How else would I have known about the crash edit?

Watching that section of the video is exactly how I feel in sand. All over the place
and then it's rest time.

You can't see it in the photo, but there is a grown man crying in his helmet here.



And time out.

where are those photos taken?
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Old 11-11-2012, 03:26 PM   #14267
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where are those photos taken?
Eagle Canyon, Southern Utah.



Pretty area.



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Old 11-11-2012, 03:36 PM   #14268
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Eagle canyon is nice. Rode all the way to Richfield on the TAT a few years back.
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Old 11-12-2012, 01:29 AM   #14269
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Next march I'm going to have a 10 days trip in Morocco. I would like if the ST is better than the GSA in sand.
In my last trip with the BMW I suffered a lot, it’s horrible in sand… but what an incredible experience!!!







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Old 11-12-2012, 02:51 AM   #14270
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Next march I'm going to have a 10 days trip in Morocco. I would like if the ST is better than the GSA in sand.
I'm trying to decide between the two, which do you consider a better road bike in terms of handling, power and brakes?
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Old 11-12-2012, 03:06 AM   #14271
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I'm trying to decide between the two, which do you consider a better road bike in terms of handling, power and brakes?
with the clutch mod or ECU map, power is about the same - brakes and handling on the S10 is better in my opinion
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Old 11-12-2012, 04:06 AM   #14272
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I'm trying to decide between the two, which do you consider a better road bike in terms of handling, power and brakes?
Handling: I’m an awful road rider so the GS with the paralever suspension was easier handling to me, but probably road experience people could be more confident with the ST conventional forks. Both are good. Riding the ST in town is much easier than the GS.
Power: I had the 98HP GSA but I think the latest versions where more powerful. Compared with mine I prefer the ST in Sport mode.
Brakes: both are good but the ST ABS is better

You don’t ask me about riding them off road. The ST is MUCH better than the GS/GSA
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Old 11-12-2012, 04:21 AM   #14273
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St/gsa

The GSA is a slug compared to the S10 and the standard GS. The GS and S10 are more comparable.
S10 is 50lbs heavier than the standard GS but suspension, handling, brakes, TC, and reliability are better on the S10. Much nicer motor on the S10 too.
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Old 11-12-2012, 04:55 AM   #14274
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Next march I'm going to have a 10 days trip in Morocco. I would like if the ST is better than the GSA in sand.
In my last trip with the BMW I suffered a lot, it’s horrible in sand… but what an incredible experience!!!
when riding sand like that put your front tire pressure as low as you dare. like 15. 10-12 is better. rear not so low. I live in the pine barrens and have to tell visitors repeatedly. usually by lunch time they are tired of falling and are willing to try anything, so they lower the pressure. they response is always identical... "I cant believe the difference" and "Its like it is a different bike" ... also important is keping torque on the back wheel. you dont have to be flying but if you dont keep the back wheel pushing the front will dig in. Always stop on a hard spot. starting foward motion on deep loose sand is almost impossible.
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Old 11-12-2012, 06:40 AM   #14275
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Next march I'm going to have a 10 days trip in Morocco. I would like if the ST is better than the GSA in sand.
In my last trip with the BMW I suffered a lot, it’s horrible in sand… but what an incredible experience!!!
Take the 400. I'd rather go to the dentist without novacaine than ride a Beast in sand.
10 days??? Just shoot me.
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Old 11-12-2012, 07:26 AM   #14276
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when riding sand like that put your front tire pressure as low as you dare. like 15. 10-12 is better. rear not so low. I live in the pine barrens and have to tell visitors repeatedly. usually by lunch time they are tired of falling and are willing to try anything, so they lower the pressure. they response is always identical... "I cant believe the difference" and "Its like it is a different bike" ... also important is keping torque on the back wheel. you dont have to be flying but if you dont keep the back wheel pushing the front will dig in. Always stop on a hard spot. starting foward motion on deep loose sand is almost impossible.
Agree....
The problem in Morocco is that after a sand section you can find a rocky one with lots of possibilities to have a puncture… and with the GSA and its awful front suspension is even worse, I had 5 punctures in 10 days!!!.

I did another trip with my DRZ and mousse instead of tube… that was fantastic. Full gas all over the places!!

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Take the 400. I'd rather go to the dentist without novacaine than ride a Beast in sand.
10 days??? Just shoot me.
I know... with the 400 I had good fun in the dunes!!!
This time we are going to do more than 3000km off road and lot of them in the Atlas mountains witch are very rocky…. so less sand and 4 BMW GSA with us to make us reduce the speed

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Old 11-12-2012, 08:26 AM   #14277
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I know... with the 400 I had good fun in the dunes!!!
This time we are going to do more than 3000km off road and lot of them in the Atlas mountains witch are very rocky…. so less sand and 4 BMW GSA with us to make us reduce the speed
Aww, they're not that bad, maybe a little slower.

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Old 11-12-2012, 08:29 AM   #14278
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I know... with the 400 I had good fun in the dunes!!! This time we are going to do more than 3000km off road and lot of them in the Atlas mountains witch are very rocky…. so less sand and 4 BMW GSA with us to make us reduce the speed
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Old 11-12-2012, 11:31 AM   #14279
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nuovo super tenere 1200 diapason recing by tosco

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parasteli, cupolino, scarico,sella,pedane passeggero,posteriore tutto modificato,piastra manubrio,e un favoloso serbatoio aggiuntivo sotto la sella (10lt) tutto questo fatto da andrea toscani (detto tosco ) presso motoshop parma italia
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Old 11-12-2012, 11:41 AM   #14280
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What is with the Germans, then the Brits, and now the Italians with the welded-on passenger peg brackets???

As photos from multiple thread have shown, the DON'T offer protection in a crash. The add leverage to bend the rear subframe! Unless you are tying panniers to them, they are just in the way! (without a passenger, of course).
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