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Old 11-12-2012, 12:04 PM   #14281
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I'm trying to decide between the two, which do you consider a better road bike in terms of handling, power and brakes?
One thing to consider with these beasts on soft surfaces is the clutch. The BMW has a single plate dry clutch, and many BMW clutches have suffered greatly (and failed) when ridden on this type of terrain. I believe BMW have corrected this on the '13 and have opted for a wet clutch, but it is something to consider on the previous models. The S10 suffers no such limitation.

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Old 11-12-2012, 12:07 PM   #14282
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What is with the Germans, then the Brits, and now the Italians with the welded-on passenger peg brackets???

As photos from multiple thread have shown, the DON'T offer protection in a crash. The add leverage to bend the rear subframe! Unless you are tying panniers to them, they are just in the way! (without a passenger, of course).
This is a 10 litres tank under the seat made from Diapason Racing, a italian Yamaha dealer. I think is a good idea.
The pegs are not welded.



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Old 11-12-2012, 12:09 PM   #14283
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What is with the Germans, then the Brits, and now the Italians with the welded-on passenger peg brackets???

As photos from multiple thread have shown, the DON'T offer protection in a crash. The add leverage to bend the rear subframe! Unless you are tying panniers to them, they are just in the way! (without a passenger, of course).
In short, they make it easier to keep the passenger on the back of the bike. It kinda goes well with the passenger seat.
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Old 11-12-2012, 12:15 PM   #14284
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Sorry, my eyes must be getting old. My prejudice ran away from me when I mistook that first photo. Apologies all around.

Also, after an accident in college when my girl friend was almost seriously injured on the back of my bike, I choose not to ride two-up any more. It also saves room for more luggage, closer forward and not overloading the rear rack.

I like that 10-liter fuel idea. There is another thread here on ADVRider about fuel cells for the S-10, holding as much as an additional 5 gallons. I'm staying tuned for more information all around.
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Old 11-12-2012, 03:11 PM   #14285
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clutch lever bolt turning on perch

While I was tightening the steering stem an top triple, I noticed that when you pull the lever clutch the bolt turns on the perch. I wonder if that that is correct to happen.
I consider that the bolt should not turn because that movement will be grinding the perch material and the lower hand-saver fixing point. The brake lever bolt does not move at all.

Have you noticed that??? I am concern that in the long term that bolt movement would harm the perch. I was trying to -unscrew it but it seems to get tighter as if it had left-handed threads.
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Old 11-12-2012, 05:02 PM   #14286
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I am concern that in the long term that bolt movement would harm the perch. I was trying to -unscrew it but it seems to get tighter as if it had left-handed threads.
The bolt should be fixed as the clutch lever pivots on it. There's a lock nut on the bottom side that may be the reason you're having trouble unscrewing the bolt. You want to first tighten the bolt, then hold the bolt as you tighten the locknut.

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Old 11-12-2012, 05:30 PM   #14287
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This is a 10 litres tank under the seat made from Diapason Racing, a italian Yamaha dealer. I think is a good idea.
Any idea how the fuel transfers?
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Old 11-12-2012, 06:54 PM   #14288
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Old 11-12-2012, 10:14 PM   #14289
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I found the heat grips on my GS to be great. I use then all the time.
Yamaha wants $400 for heat grips on the Tenere. The grips have a dial control instead of a three position switch on my GS. This switch is easy for me to use while I ride and I have been happy with it.
How is this option working for you?

Are you happy with Yamaha’s saddle bags? They look cheap in the pictures I’ve seen but the cost is a $1,000 with the mounts.
Are the bags easy to remove once on?

Yamaha doesn’t recommend a top box with the bags. I wonder about that. I carry a lot of stuff on the back of my bike when I am traveling.
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Old 11-12-2012, 10:19 PM   #14290
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Yamaha doesn’t recommend a top box with the bags. I wonder about that. I carry a lot of stuff on the back of my bike when I am traveling.
YAMAHA says lots of things to keep them away from the courts. Not an issue really. Just load it up and go.

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Old 11-12-2012, 11:06 PM   #14291
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I found the heat grips on my GS to be great. I use then all the time.
Yamaha wants $400 for heat grips on the Tenere. The grips have a dial control instead of a three position switch on my GS. This switch is easy for me to use while I ride and I have been happy with it.
How is this option working for you?


And how much more expensive is the Beemer G/S than the Super Ténéré?

And if the cost of the Yamaha heated grips is such an issue there are plenty of other alternatives.



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Are you happy with Yamaha’s saddle bags? They look cheap in the pictures I’ve seen but the cost is a $1,000 with the mounts.
Are the bags easy to remove once on?


I love my Yamaha bags on my Super Ténéré, and they have performed flawlessly for over 24,500 miles. And they come on and off almost instantly... Just a couple of seconds.

Oh, and they're made by exactly the same company that builds those even more expensive BMW G/S side cases!



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Yamaha doesn’t recommend a top box with the bags. I wonder about that. I carry a lot of stuff on the back of my bike when I am traveling.


Well, once again, I've traveled all over the country in the past year and couple of months on my S-10, and have carried lots of stuff on the back, both on the stock Yamaha rack and the AltRider rack I have now... All without issue. Granted, I don't use a top box, but I do use heavily laden soft bags back there. No problems whatsoever. No material issues. No damages. Nothing.

Of course, there is one truly great thing about the Super Ténéré compared to a G/S...

It's a Yamaha. That means you never have to worry about final drive issues, frequent valve clearance checks, poor quality fuel line clamps, finicky throttle body adjustment, moronic CAN-BUS fiascoes, sensitive dry-clutch shenanigans, outrageously high parts prices, even more insanely high initial bike purchase price (i.e. Roundel Tax), etc., etc., etc.

You can certainly hunt and find all sorts of reasons to not like any bike if you try hard enough... Goodness knows I found plenty of those for not buying a BMW.

But then again, I owned a couple of BMW's before I started trying to find reasons not to own another one!

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Old 11-12-2012, 11:50 PM   #14292
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Any idea how the fuel transfers?
No. They will present the bike in the EICMA show in Milano:

http://www.facebook.com/media/set/?s...7742187&type=3
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Old 11-13-2012, 01:18 AM   #14293
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YAMAHA says lots of things to keep them away from the courts. Not an issue really. Just load it up and go.

Does anyone know what type (and where from) those throw over tank bags are ??
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Old 11-13-2012, 01:35 AM   #14294
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I found the heat grips on my GS to be great. I use then all the time.
Yamaha wants $400 for heat grips on the Tenere. The grips have a dial control instead of a three position switch on my GS. This switch is easy for me to use while I ride and I have been happy with it.
How is this option working for you?

Are you happy with Yamaha’s saddle bags? They look cheap in the pictures I’ve seen but the cost is a $1,000 with the mounts.
Are the bags easy to remove once on?

Yamaha doesn’t recommend a top box with the bags. I wonder about that. I carry a lot of stuff on the back of my bike when I am traveling.
There are multiple options for bags, that just happen to include what Yamaha offers. For a month-long ride, below are the heavy duty welded aluminum MuffinTops for $400, mounted on SW-Motech racks, plus a 52L Givi topbox.

As for top boxes and weight, like Graham showed, the bike is a mule. Many of us are running heavy and the bike had no problem pushing this set-up to more than 115 mph (gps) on an open desert road.
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Old 11-13-2012, 02:26 AM   #14295
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Many of us are running heavy and the bike had no problem pushing this set-up to more than 115 mph (gps) on an open desert road.
Dunno.... I just dont get it??????

65>70mph is fine for me = I sort of like taking in where I am while getting to where I am going. It's all about the WHOLE journey for me. Not just having been there!!!

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