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Old 07-24-2013, 10:02 AM   #1
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Dyna Coils

My R80st runs a dual output 1,5 ohm dyna coil (brown) now I want to check if I have a coil problem, but all I have available is a 3 ohm (green) dyna coil, will I do any harm using this for an hour, while I test my bike on the road?
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Old 07-24-2013, 12:32 PM   #2
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My R80st runs a dual output 1,5 ohm dyna coil (brown) now I want to check if I have a coil problem, but all I have available is a 3 ohm (green) dyna coil, will I do any harm using this for an hour, while I test my bike on the road?
Possibly. Too much draw through the ignition.

if you want to know if you have a coil problem, just test the coil. It makes nice fat blue white sparks hot and cold or it doesn't.

Put a clean plug on the end of one spark plug wire, lay the plug on the head and secure it with a bungie. (if it falls off you fry the ignition, immediately), crank the engine and look at the spark. Then put the plug wire back on your installed plug, go for a ride to heat things up (like the coil), and repeat the test. Don't use your best bungie, that head is hot. You can also hold the plug against the head with a silicone pot holder or similar.

If the test reveals bad sparks, test the wires before you replace the coil.
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Old 07-24-2013, 01:22 PM   #3
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More resistance (ohms) = Less current. (amps) At the same V (voltage) I=V/R.
The 3 ohm coil will result in about 4.66 amps.
The 1.5 ohm coil will result in about 9.33 amps.
This is at 14v supply.
I don't know if it will run, but the 3 ohm coil will
draw less current.

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Old 07-24-2013, 01:54 PM   #4
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You can test a coil bad but you can't test one good. The only way to do that is to try another coil. Some people say they run 3 ohm coils with no problem. The trouble is at high rpm they are going to make a weaker spark than a 1.5 ohm. Personally, I run a grey 1.2 ohm coil in that situation. You want as low as you can get without going too low. 1.5 is fine. 3?
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Old 07-24-2013, 03:11 PM   #5
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A 3 0hm coil will pull half of the current. The only time a coil pulls Ohms law current as an average is with ignition on and the engine not running. Once running the average current falls to under half and falls further with higher revs. Can't see a reason why it wouldn't work at least as well as a points ignition using the same coil. Only unknown is whether the ICU uses dwell control that would prevent the 3 ohm coil getting close to saturation but I'm not sure they are that sophisticated. Can't see how it would do any harm anyway.
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Old 07-25-2013, 10:18 AM   #6
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More resistance (ohms) = Less current. (amps) At the same V (voltage) I=V/R.
The 3 ohm coil will result in about 4.66 amps.
The 1.5 ohm coil will result in about 9.33 amps.
This is at 14v supply.
I don't know if it will run, but the 3 ohm coil will
draw less current.

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It'll run just fine with a 3Ohm coil, you wouldn't know the difference.
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Old 07-25-2013, 12:11 PM   #7
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It'll run just fine with a 3Ohm coil, you wouldn't know the difference.

I agree. At least for most people. If they do cut into higher rpm power for a weaker high rpm spark, most people never rev their beemers that high and hard anyway. Read the gas mileage thread. To a lot of people revving their beemer to 5k rpm is really giving them hell. That makes 49mpg possible perhaps?
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Old 07-25-2013, 09:14 PM   #8
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Just to clear some things up. A brown Dyna is a 6 volt 1.5 ohm coil. A green is a 12v 3 ohm, a grey is a 6 volt 2.2 ohm. THE GREEN WILL WORK IF USED AS A SINGLE COIL FOR 2 SINGLE PLUGS (at least on early bikes originally equipped with points). Some Dyna ignitions will use two greens for dual spark, but most use the browns (dual spark only). My Sachse ignition likes the 2.2 ohm greys (dual plugged heads).
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Old 07-26-2013, 12:08 PM   #9
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Just to clear some things up. A brown Dyna is a 6 volt 1.5 ohm coil..
6v ? I would be interested to know how you work that out?
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Old 07-26-2013, 12:36 PM   #10
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Just to clear some things up. A brown Dyna is a 6 volt 1.5 ohm coil. A green is a 12v 3 ohm, a grey is a 6 volt 2.2 ohm. THE GREEN WILL WORK IF USED AS A SINGLE COIL FOR 2 SINGLE PLUGS (at least on early bikes originally equipped with points). Some Dyna ignitions will use two greens for dual spark, but most use the browns (dual spark only). My Sachse ignition likes the 2.2 ohm greys (dual plugged heads).
I think this is mistaken advice. I suggest doing further research. See the instruction here: http://www.powercommander.com/downlo...andardCoil.pdf

A single, dual output 1.5 ohm coil is too much amperage draw (1.5ohmsx12volts= ~6 amps) for points.

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6v ? I would be interested to know how you work that out?
Not sure myself on dynatechs specs per coil, but on the dual coil airheads the coils are 6v as they are run in series.

Years ago I used Bosche 6v Blue coils from 60s 6v VW beetles as a coil replacement/ performance mod. BMW coil was $150+ bosche blue coil was $39
But that was way back in the day... lol
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Old 07-26-2013, 01:19 PM   #12
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I talked on the phone with someone at Dyna and he told me that there was no difference whatsoever between their 6 and 12 volt coils and that they sold them as such just to make things easier on themselves.
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I talked on the phone with someone at Dyna and he told me that there was no difference whatsoever between their 6 and 12 volt coils and that they sold them as such just to make things easier on themselves.
That matches my experience and measurements. I have tried to measure a difference between Dyna 6 and 12 volt coils and couldn't find one. I think it is possible that there are coil winding turn ratio differences and some other subtle things inside. Dyna probably wouldn't divulge that kind of proprietary build data anyway.

None of that would make any difference however, expect racing at high RPM. One of these days I when I go racing again and I sort out all the other performance stuff I will come back to serious ignition optimization. I have an idea that a dual triggered, two-coil system with high turn ratios and low ohm/high current draw coils will make a difference.

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That matches my experience and measurements. I have tried to measure a difference between Dyna 6 and 12 volt coils and couldn't find one. I think it is possible that there are coil winding turn ratio differences and some other subtle things inside. Dyna probably wouldn't divulge that kind of proprietary build data anyway.

None of that would make any difference however, expect racing at high RPM. One of these days I when I go racing again and I sort out all the other performance stuff I will come back to serious ignition optimization. I have an idea that a dual triggered, two-coil system with high turn ratios and low ohm/high current draw coils will make a difference.

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I have two .7 ohm Dyna coils on my duel plug setup for just that reason.
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Old 07-26-2013, 02:33 PM   #15
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That matches my experience and measurements. I have tried to measure a difference between Dyna 6 and 12 volt coils and couldn't find one. I think it is possible that there are coil winding turn ratio differences and some other subtle things inside. Dyna probably wouldn't divulge that kind of proprietary build data anyway.

None of that would make any difference however, expect racing at high RPM. One of these days I when I go racing again and I sort out all the other performance stuff I will come back to serious ignition optimization. I have an idea that a dual triggered, two-coil system with high turn ratios and low ohm/high current draw coils will make a difference.

Eric
I have two .7 ohm coils on my dual plug setup for just that reason.
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