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Old 08-02-2013, 02:57 PM   #1786
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No pics, but I was lucky enough to play a (I think?) 1956 Martin Acoustic that a friend picked up a few weeks ago. It put my Cheap-ish Fender Acoustic to shame. Duh. The Martin was so rich and pretty sounding.
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Old 08-02-2013, 03:57 PM   #1787
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I knew acoustics were greatly affected by wood type, I didn't realize electrics were affected as much as they apparently are. Thanks for the info, all.
I guess the research begins!!
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Old 08-02-2013, 06:15 PM   #1788
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I knew acoustics were greatly affected by wood type, I didn't realize electrics were affected as much as they apparently are. Thanks for the info, all.
I guess the research begins!!

This has been debated to death on the web, and there are just as many people who will tell you the wood makes ZERO difference in tone, as there are those who think it does. Even the fretboard, the maple vs rosewood thing, has been debated, tested, blind tested, etc, and I've never seen any evidence that they make one bit of difference in the sound. And I've watched several back to back tests.

There's a "blind" test you can find online where a lot of guitars are played back to back, same notes, same amp, etc, and they all sound nearly identical. I've seen the sound tested by sensitive instruments, and the differences were too minute for the human ear to discern. But there will always be people who swear they can hear the difference. The fretboard wood really doesn't make any difference in the sound of an electric guitar. It's been proven.
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Old 08-02-2013, 07:55 PM   #1789
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This has been debated to death on the web, and there are just as many people who will tell you the wood makes ZERO difference in tone, as there are those who think it does. Even the fretboard, the maple vs rosewood thing, has been debated, tested, blind tested, etc, and I've never seen any evidence that they make one bit of difference in the sound. And I've watched several back to back tests.

There's a "blind" test you can find online where a lot of guitars are played back to back, same notes, same amp, etc, and they all sound nearly identical. I've seen the sound tested by sensitive instruments, and the differences were too minute for the human ear to discern. But there will always be people who swear they can hear the difference. The fretboard wood really doesn't make any difference in the sound of an electric guitar. It's been proven.
Thanks for that! I may just avoid diving into the debate for now.

I have a friend with a sawmill, so I'm thinking it would be nice to make a body from local woods. Maybe a sandwich of maple and black walnut.
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Old 08-02-2013, 10:32 PM   #1790
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Old 08-03-2013, 05:48 AM   #1791
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Thanks for that! I may just avoid diving into the debate for now.

I have a friend with a sawmill, so I'm thinking it would be nice to make a body from local woods. Maybe a sandwich of maple and black walnut.

The woods used in guitars like Fender Strats and Teles, is used for several reasons, availability, cost, and weight. They use exotic woods in custom guitars, because they cost more. If you've got the resources, the wood, and the skill, make your guitar unique and beautiful. The tone in an electric guitar, comes from the player, not the tree!
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Old 08-03-2013, 06:01 AM   #1792
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I would argue that the wood makes a difference on an electric, but to a very marginal amount and not necessarily so much in tone. A harder, denser wood will give you bit more sustain.

Could you tell a difference in actual tone with different woods? Well, maybe. IF you have a golden ear and are in an anechoic chamber or something. Put yourself in your average living room with the AC going and the electric lights buzzing and the kids playing down the hall..........or in a jam session with a couple of other musicians and no, you won't hear the difference.
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Old 08-03-2013, 08:47 AM   #1793
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Don't want to get all CSM about wood, but...

I've always heard that the reason pre-War guitars are preferred is that when the wood was harvested there was less pollution therefore the wood was better.

Also, the more a guitar is played the better it sounds. Something about the molecules of the wood changing due to the sound. Maybe it just sounds better because the player is practicing more!

Like I said, not going all CSM, just passing on some shit I've heard.
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Old 08-03-2013, 04:10 PM   #1794
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Could you tell a difference in actual tone with different woods? Well, maybe. IF you have a golden ear and are in an anechoic chamber or something. Put yourself in your average living room with the AC going and the electric lights buzzing and the kids playing down the hall..........or in a jam session with a couple of other musicians and no, you won't hear the difference.
Yes, absolutely.

Its easier to compensate for issues with tone on electric, you can play with the tone caps, pick-ups and effects.But if you can't hear the difference between multiple guitars running the same rig there is an issue.

I have three electrics
A Les Paul SL, a PRS SE Custom and a B.C. Rich Eagle. The Les and the PRS SHOULD sound damn near the same, they are constructed of the same woods with very similar pick ups (if fact I swapped them just to test this). They aren't even close, the Les carries WAY WAY more low end and has a fatter upper mid that kind of drowns the highs, where the PRS carries way more mid range and is razor sharp above that with an understated bottom. They are different to the point that I had to make about 30 new patches on my amp so that I was happy with both, basically mirroring the two sets of 32 patches, on for the Gibson, one for the PRS.

The Eagle is its own thing, being neckthrough, no cap, not arch, and active electronics, I can make that thing sound like a LOT of different guitars putzing with the taps and phasers (I went electronics nerd on that one).

I also choose my guitars to be versatile, while the Les Paul will always sound like a Gibson, the other two are good for a wider variety of sounds.
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Old 08-03-2013, 08:19 PM   #1795
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Woods, and body mass on electric guitars make a big difference.
I was a Fender, Tom Anderson, Gibson, Ibanez, Taylor etc dealer for 20 years, and as long-time guitar repairman, I can guarantee you that wood and mass effect the resonant frequencies of a guitar, how the guitar responds to pick attack, how it "snaps" and rings.
I equate it to the way that diff tires change your ride on a bike.
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Old 08-08-2013, 04:18 PM   #1796
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Okay, so the next problem is that you can tinker with these things, too!

A new push/pull pot just showed up in the mail today to replace Tone 2 on my MIM Strat. The original plan was to just make a 7 position with position 4(2) being bridge and neck in series with the middle parallel, and position 5(2) being bridge and neck in series.

Upon further research, I think we're going with Tone 1 becoming master tone and Tone 2 becoming a blend knob. This seems more interesting and I figure it's not difficult to change it later.

Any Strat players have experience with either of these combinations?
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Old 08-08-2013, 08:01 PM   #1797
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My apologies if this has been mentioned before (I searched, but to no avail...), but it seems like a few folks here are happy Sweetwater.com customers. I'm going to order some stuff from them soon, but I've heard that some of their customer service reps are better than others, and that once you're assigned to a rep, you're stuck with that rep . . . so can anyone recommend a good rep to deal with?

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Old 08-08-2013, 08:06 PM   #1798
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I've made a few electric instruments, but I'm not close to being an expert. Still, the choice of wood makes a difference. i've made a few test bodies out of plywood, same thickness and shape as the final guitar, same electronics, neck, ect......big difference in sound between plywood and solid maple.
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Old 08-09-2013, 11:40 AM   #1799
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You're either deaf, can't really play, or haven't played or owned a decent instrument if you honestly believe the wood doesn't make a difference in the sound, whether it be an acoustic or electric instrument.

I'm in the process of figuring out which Collings dreadnought I'm going to order, and I've narrowed it down to everything (sides, back, bracing, neck) but the top, trying to decide between a sitka spruce or german adirondack spruce, and you'd have to have pencils shoved in your ears to not to hear the differences. I haven't decided which one I want, because they both have characteristics I like, but there is no question they sound different, and you would literally have to be hearing-impaired to not pick it up. Both might sound perfectly fine (and they do) but different. I don't plan on spending $6k on an acoustic more than once, so being sure about what it sounds like matters more than a little to me.

If wood didn't make a difference, a Stadivarius wouldn't be worth millions of dollars, after all, it's just a wood violin.





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This has been debated to death on the web, and there are just as many people who will tell you the wood makes ZERO difference in tone, as there are those who think it does. Even the fretboard, the maple vs rosewood thing, has been debated, tested, blind tested, etc, and I've never seen any evidence that they make one bit of difference in the sound. And I've watched several back to back tests.

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I try to buy what I can locally, but Sweetwater is the one internet-based company that I've bought a lot of stuff from and always received first class service. I've PM'd you the name of my rep.



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My apologies if this has been mentioned before (I searched, but to no avail...), but it seems like a few folks here are happy Sweetwater.com customers. I'm going to order some stuff from them soon, but I've heard that some of their customer service reps are better than others, and that once you're assigned to a rep, you're stuck with that rep . . . so can anyone recommend a good rep to deal with?

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