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Old 08-25-2011, 04:12 PM   #4126
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Yep, total frijoles refritos of an old story!
Yep, but pinto bean vs. butter bean.
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Old 08-25-2011, 04:22 PM   #4127
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I believe that the "debate" over the relative safety of Mexico is beginning to sound like an oil or tire thread.

So true! TP's dead horse cartoon hit the mark.

Even so, though the topics never seem to change the riders who come here and go away better informed are always changing and that's the value added, IMHO.

When ColbyCheese and I crossed at Presidio/Ojinaga last March it was his first time but he had clearly done his homework on this thread and others and it showed. And Mark883 before him. And myself before that. And unknown others.

It's not a 5 star thread for nothing. (Thanks Arte!!)
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Old 08-25-2011, 04:35 PM   #4128
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The information here is pretty damned good, and comes from folks that are residents in Mexico, or who have extensive riding experience there.

For that matter, why should anyone think that your opinion matters one iota, or that you are anything other than a third-rate troll spreading poor information and trying to be a general nuisance?

Half of the people here are trying to be nice to you, and half of us think that you are basically useless. If you want to tell us why anyone should believe your opinions then spit it out.




How many thousands (not hundreds) of foreigners are killed in the USA every year?

Do you have any first-hand information to offer, or just what you have read on web sites?
I sent you that link on NL, it came from a website, was it fake or false info?? Yeah I guess a person shouldn't believe the statistics, actual numbers, and on good websites the numbers are accompanied with the pictures of the lucky recipients.

I'm sure any foreigners killed in the U.S. are involved in illegal activities, right. BTW, how many foreigners are killed in the U.S. every year? I sure don't know. Maybe you need to start up a Is America safe thread. That would actually help foreigners, keep them away from the bad spots. America like Mexico isn't bad everywhere. blah blah blah

You sir are repetitive and boring. Most people here have been helpful, until I go for a ride down, this merry-go-round of b.s. is useless. Your intent is to drive anyone away with a differing view, or even honest questions about what is going on down there. I would say ignorant hostility.

As an English friend of mine would say, Bugger off ...............
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Old 08-25-2011, 04:47 PM   #4129
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Falcon Lake

Looks like a little more lead was exchanged on Falcon Lake, although the story indicates that the guy that claims he was shot at was actually 2 miles inside Mexico on a tributary.

Just as an aside I spent a "wonderful" 12 days or so hanging at an RV park near Zapata (and going into Zapata every night to hang at the only bar around those parts) and it gave me a somewhat unique view of that area. 15 miles north at San Ygnacio the locals told tales of Mexican military helicopters strafing the Mexican countryside within sight of the little town (and, indeed, I did see one of their Russian-made copters up close and personal).

One of the locals also told me that he was pretty sure that he had seen someone riding a jet ski just like the one that was taken when that guy was shot at Falcon Lake last year.

Anyway, a pretty wild area.

Moral of the story: Stay off of Mexican Rt. 2 between Nuevo Laredo and Reynosa! The Zetas still hold that area.

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Today's story at estigating-Shooting-on-Falcon-Lake/1W0XdI7h4kGd62tERbx2EQ.cspx

ZAPATA - Authorities are looking into a shooting on the Mexican side of Falcon Lake. Texas Parks & Wildlife officers tell CHANNEL 5 NEWS the shooting happened two miles into Mexico in the Arroya Salado on August 12.

Someone in Mexico opened fire on the boater.

"After interviewing the fisherman, it was determined - according to the fisherman - the individuals appeared to be Mexican military," says Texas Parks & Wildlife Officer Fernando Cervantes.

Law enforcement advise all Americans not to cross into Mexico. One man we met says he's not afraid to fish on the Mexican side.

"I spend 80 to 90 percent of my time on the Mexican side," he said.

The man tells CHANNEL 5 NEWS he avoids what are known to be dangerous areas of the lake and feels perfectly safe when he's on the water. Authorities are still working to determine who fired the shots on August 12.
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Old 08-25-2011, 04:51 PM   #4130
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As an English friend of mine would say, Bugger off ...............

Let's put it this-a-way ... if I told you what I really thought of you I'd be going to Banned Camp.

But I think that you are basically a troll, a fool, and you are one of those nutjobs that thinks that any sort of commentary that Mexico and the USA are similar is a negative reflection on the USA, which simply proves that you missed the point.

As you said, bugger off. So far you have nothing to offer.
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Old 08-25-2011, 05:01 PM   #4131
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So true! TP's dead horse cartoon hit the mark.

Even so, though the topics never seem to change the riders who come here and go away better informed are always changing and that's the value added, IMHO.

When ColbyCheese and I crossed at Presidio/Ojinaga last March it was his first time but he had clearly done his homework on this thread and others and it showed. And Mark883 before him. And myself before that. And unknown others.

It's not a 5 star thread for nothing. (Thanks Arte!!)


Well said.

Our recent troll's complaints that we don't discuss the negatives not-withstanding, we certainly do discuss where not to go, how not to behave, and so forth.

So far everyone that I am aware of that has used this thread as a guide has had a great trip.

I guess that sooner or later one of us is going to have something a bit negative happen to them. Knowing my interest in dive places along the border it will probably be me. But I am always reminded that the great explorers of our history were people that were willing to take a risk and to go against the "wisdom" of the rabble (remember, back in Columbus' time the common knowledge was that the Earth was flat and you could sail off the edge if you weren't careful ) so when we get these crazy friend-of-a-friend's-boss tales and "statistics" from people who cannot put things into perspective it kinda embarrasses me that this nation is becoming a land of people who are totally fearful.
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Old 08-25-2011, 06:22 PM   #4132
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A little while ago I posted this link to a Wiki page on crime stats:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._homicide_rate

The point I was trying to make was that the media hype about the dangers in Mexico have people who want to travel to Central America concerned by the violence in Mexico. They wonder what the best route to Guatemala is to avoid the the carnage in Mexico. But the murder rates for Guatemala, El Salvador and Honduras are through the roof. The perception is created by the media who really have little interest in anything beyond ratings.

But I don't believe that the murder rate is actually a good indicator of how dangerous a country is. The murder rate in Ireland (my home country) is one fourth the murder rate in the US. Does this mean that I'm living in a dangerous place? Not really. If I avoid Detroit, Compton, Washington DC, etc. and don't aggravate obvious gang members, the crime statistics drop to levels comparable with Ireland. So if I know where to go, and how to behave, my personal risk in the US is similar to Ireland.

So I will continue to lurk here because I travel to Mexico. And this thread really does a good job of cutting the media hype and lets me know where Mexico's trouble spots really are. Of course, the occasional flame war also adds a little spice to the lurk .
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Old 08-25-2011, 06:28 PM   #4133
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My wandering around in Mexico has certainly proven the Earth is not flat.
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Old 08-25-2011, 06:58 PM   #4134
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My wandering around in Mexico has certainly proven the Earth is not flat.

I dunno. Where I am at in the oil fields right now (and 20 miles to the border) makes me think that The Devil was here last week and decided that it was too hot to stay.

The edge of the Earth may well be at the end of this dirt road.
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Old 08-25-2011, 08:16 PM   #4135
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My wandering around in Mexico has certainly proven the Earth is not flat.
Was thinking the same thing.
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Old 08-25-2011, 08:19 PM   #4136
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GeezerStank;16713232]I sent you that link on NL, it came from a website, was it fake or false info?? Yeah I guess a person shouldn't believe the statistics, actual numbers, and on good websites the numbers are accompanied with the pictures of the lucky recipients.

I'm sure any foreigners killed in the U.S. are involved in illegal activities, right. BTW, how many foreigners are killed in the U.S. every year? I sure don't know. Maybe you need to start up a Is America safe thread. That would actually help foreigners, keep them away from the bad spots. America like Mexico isn't bad everywhere. blah blah blah

You sir are repetitive and boring. Most people here have been helpful, until I go for a ride down, this merry-go-round of b.s. is useless. Your intent is to drive anyone away with a differing view, or even honest questions about what is going on down there. I would say ignorant hostility.

As an English friend of mine would say, Bugger off ...............
[COLOR=dimgray][QUOTE=[/COLOR]PirateJohn;16713356]Let's put it this-a-way ... if I told you what I really thought of you I'd be going to Banned Camp.

But I think that you are basically a troll, a fool, and you are one of those nutjobs that thinks that any sort of commentary that Mexico and the USA are similar is a negative reflection on the USA, which simply proves that you missed the point.

As you said, bugger off. So far you have nothing to offer. [/QUOTE]

OK, you two! Enough already!!
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Old 08-25-2011, 08:45 PM   #4137
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Just read that there are 10 dead in a grenade attack on the casino in Monterrey today. If that's accurate that would seem like a significant escalation in the troubles.

While researching that story I discovered that someone threw a grenade near the casino in Reynosa yesterday. No one hurt and no damages.

The casino in Reynosa is owned/managed/controlled (something like that) by an American company. The one in Monterrey I have no clue. Dunno how many gringo tourists would hit either one but the one in Progreso that I used to take SWMBO'd to was owned by that same US company and was pretty well occupied by US tourists.

Be aware. The odds of lightening striking twice is pretty rare, but as I said this could be a significant escalation in things.

Would I go to Monterrey and hit the clubs and maybe even the casino if I gambled? You bet - because the odds of another hit are about like the convenience store that you are in being hit a second time in 2 days.
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Old 08-25-2011, 09:15 PM   #4138
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Just read that there are 10 dead in a grenade attack on the casino in Monterrey today. If that's accurate that would seem like a significant escalation in the troubles.

While researching that story I discovered that someone threw a grenade near the casino in Reynosa yesterday. No one hurt and no damages.

The casino in Reynosa is owned/managed/controlled (something like that) by an American company. The one in Monterrey I have no clue. Dunno how many gringo tourists would hit either one but the one in Progreso that I used to take SWMBO'd to was owned by that same US company and was pretty well occupied by US tourists.

Be aware. The odds of lightening striking twice is pretty rare, but as I said this could be a significant escalation in things.

Would I go to Monterrey and hit the clubs and maybe even the casino if I gambled? You bet - because the odds of another hit are about like the convenience store that you are in being hit a second time in 2 days.

viewing it form a business point of view casino owners should had meet the bad guys demand and save lives f..k the cartels f..k casinos (casinos = cartels) all casinos in Mexico need to be shut down,
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On the other hand


Chief of police of Mexico city stateted that they were not drunk but on something else
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Chief of police of Mexico city stateted that they were not drunk but on something else
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