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Old 01-30-2013, 08:51 AM   #12676
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Here for the Community Events section of our little corner of the ADV "paper" I submit the following interesting news item: There is an ongoing ADV clampdown on PayPal pleas for any cause.

FYI and general awareness, the moderators have begun to deploy a no-PayPal plea policy for either (1) Donating to a "gas fund" for a rider's adventure and (2) Similar pleas to help people in distress, i.e., victims of accidents or theft. Right here in the IMS thread, the recent RMO effort to help Doña Sara is an example.

This is not an indictment of the worthiness of the cause, rather, a move mandated by the proliferation of these pleas and the use of ADV, a privately held entity, as a platform to generate cash. In and of itself, many of the causes are noble. It's when wrenches get thrown in the gears by a few that the machine begins to grind.

Veterans of the site will remember the Kaneman saga and the meltdown that ensued. Reference "Quit my job to go on a "little ride"....US Tour '07". This is certainly one of the biggest examples of a PayPal controversy but certainly, if the subject ended with Kaneman, we wouldn't be talking about PayPal pleas here today.

The recent effort by our own Rocky Mountain Oyster to help make whole our friend Doña Sara from San Miguel de Allende is an example of the use of this site to bring together like minded souls to assist someone not even connected to adventure riding other than to say one of her students in Spanish school was from such a community, and in the helping, what David did reflected greatly upon that community and, by any sense of the definition, was a noble cause.

It is also important to stress that it isn't the Kaneman thread but the recent promulgation of threads that are including PayPal requests which is pushing the tighter policy. That, and I must stress I have no personal example of the following point being made, not all PayPal requests are on a noble footing.

I am not a moderator, but I do know a few, and they are all excellent individuals with a tough job to do. They have supported the effort in the IMS thread directly, and outstandingly, when the exceedingly rare occasion has popped up where we have had to do some house cleaning. Ergo, I fully support the mods decision on this, as I have an understanding of the context within which they are enforcing this policy. At the same time, I am continuing to cheer what David did for someone who is not even a rider and who lives in Mexico, and who was, I'm sure, deeply touched by our moto community. We have to understand that because of the wide audience ADV has, and where the path of PayPal pleas has led, that the mods have to clamp down, and I support their decision.

If, in the future, an urge to assist someone who is connected to the IMS thread community arises, in any way similar in nature to what RMO put together or even different, I have thought of ways to tackle it off-line and keep the formality of ADV out of it. All this in keeping with the moderators wishes and the ADV policy.

When that happens, you can PM me and I'll share my thoughts.

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Old 01-30-2013, 09:06 AM   #12677
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A bad apple or two can rot the bushel for the rest of us. Shame it has to be that way but, like tricepilot, I can see a need for the policy. Doesn't keep us from sponsoring whomever we want to sponsor back-channel. That being said....my paypal address is brokeassslowoldguy@woohoo.com and I wanna go to Mexico.
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Old 01-30-2013, 09:09 AM   #12678
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Old 01-30-2013, 09:40 AM   #12679
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**SNIP** There is an ongoing ADV clampdown on PayPal pleas for any cause.**SNIP**
Well stated my friend. Quick look-see did not yield evidence of a clamp down. Is this something nascent, perhaps a private conversation amongst the mods (ahead of the actual announcement) that has started to leak out?
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Old 01-30-2013, 09:49 AM   #12680
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Well stated my friend. Quick look-see did not yield evidence of a clamp down. Is this something nascent, perhaps a private conversation amongst the mods (ahead of the actual announcement) that has started to leak out?
I was contacted directly in connection to a re-post I personally did supporting someone else's PayPal link for a downed rider (some will recall the recent biff of Trevor). In addition, I know that David was contacted directly in relation to the aforementioned PayPal effort in this thread on behalf of Sara. He and I traded PMs on that situation yesterday.

Personally I was not contacted about any issues in Ride Reports, and although being a frequent reader of same I do know of the existence of PayPal links posted by some authors, I'm not the go-to guy for how the policy deployment is going in that department.

I will state, for the record, that the moderator that contacted me is probably the biggest asset to ADV behind Baldy, and does, and has done, more for this site than practically anyone I know of. He fully understands and appreciates the good side of the coin, which, unfortunately, cannot be disassociated with the bad side. I can't begin to imagine the workload involved if each individual case had to be studied for it to remain on the site on merit.

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Old 01-30-2013, 02:20 PM   #12681
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I can't believe that no one would want to contribute to my 'Help Mark Ride Aimlessly Drinking Beer, Eating Street Tacos and Ooogling Dark Haired Young Women Tour de Mexico'

I don't really want contributions of money, but I'm looking for volunteers to come to work for me. As little as one day, but a week will get you a autographed postcard from Puerto Vallarta or Mazatlan, and you can help yourself to any Mexican beer in my fridge (sorry PJ- no Indio in Ohio). Knowledge of computers and marketing will be handy.
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Old 01-30-2013, 02:23 PM   #12682
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Damn. There goes my "I need a Multistrada to help orphans and MikeMike" plan.
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Old 01-30-2013, 02:30 PM   #12683
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Sh1t!

I forgot about the orphans.

If you donate to my ride, I'll visit an orphanage AND send you an orphan.
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Old 01-30-2013, 02:59 PM   #12684
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. Knowledge of computers and marketing will be handy.

Sounds like work.
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Old 01-30-2013, 03:01 PM   #12685
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Sh1t!

I forgot about the orphans.

If you donate to my ride, I'll visit an orphanage AND send you an orphan.
Orphans, what orphans?

Oops, busted
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Old 01-30-2013, 04:01 PM   #12686
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John3500-BiciMapas4

BiciMapas is downloadable to Garmin GPS. You will need to have Garmin Mapsource loaded on your computer although they do have a workaround on the BiciMapas site but it is just plain easier to download the free Garmin Mapsource because there are updates every six months to BiciMapas. It is really simple, you pay them, and within 24 hourse, next bidness day on the weekend they send you an unlock code and away you go. All very clear. It is a large file and takes a couple of hours even with a high speed internet connections so put the first coat of paint on a wall or something while it downloads. I have been using it with some success on my Garmin Montana 650t although I did end up chasing my tail as the sun was going down somewhere near Mexico City as I had neglected to turn off the auto re-route... it will definitely get you lost and going in circles. Dan at Globeriders told us this in a GPS class and it is just one of the myriad things that my old brain failed to process. The biggest problem with GPS' and data bases is the user. I do not find them particularly simple or intuitive so I make a lot of mistakes.
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Old 01-30-2013, 04:10 PM   #12687
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Almost Free Mexico Map

Trice writes those in what would appear to be blood but it is actually disappearing ink and this is simply a ruse to raise money for his next Mexico trip.
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Old 01-30-2013, 06:07 PM   #12688
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MikeMike: we did er ! We even went part way up to the telescope near Antitzantla.
We entered from Mendoza and exited to Azumbilla. All I can say is "WOW" what a ride! 3 days now of riding that stuff. I don't know if today was the best, it was some amazing roads. Almost too much. We stayed in Ciudad Serdan last night, maybe we should have went further to Orizaba so today's ride would have been a bit shorter.

Has Gran Pasaino ridden this stuff?

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Old 01-30-2013, 07:05 PM   #12689
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The Moderators should put up a paypal account for themselves. I'd way rather send them a few bucks for keeping this site going then finance some guys vacation.
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Old 01-30-2013, 08:25 PM   #12690
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Makes sense to me. If, in fact, they have machine guns then it sounds like they came from someone's supply, like the state police, that Army arsenal across from the airport in Reynosa, or (and here's a good thought) the Southern Cartel is organizing the vigilantes.

I notice that Arte and Andres have the good sense not to comment but I am actually feeling better about riding down there, to tell y'all the truth.


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is hard to tell, but mostly if they are not all in camo gear and at least two hummies fully loaded at roadside, then could be any type of "reinforcement team"
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