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Old 02-05-2013, 06:56 AM   #12796
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This is one of the most useful threads on this site.
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Old 02-05-2013, 07:16 AM   #12797
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Good intel info in this link.

http://www.borderlandbeat.com/2013/0...xico.html#more

Generally, some BB content needs to be taken with a grain of salt, but this article may explain groups with guns wanting to have a spontaneous conversation with you.
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Old 02-05-2013, 07:40 AM   #12798
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I live here and this thread has even made me more confident about riding here.

I've also made some good friends thanks to it.

Keep up the inane chatter I say!
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Old 02-05-2013, 09:10 AM   #12799
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Orale!

After lurking around these parts for some years I got serious about riding Mexico in 2009. This thread, and
a few key Ride Reports, prepared me to ride there with confidence. So I registered and got a Smugmug account
to support the site, and the rest is blissful history. Really appreciate Baldy, the Mods, and all who support Advrider.
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Old 02-05-2013, 09:16 AM   #12800
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The trouble with Borderland Beat is that they are usually way far behind the curve on things.
That story about the vigilante justice being meted out in the hills in Guerrero state was news about a week ago.

Now, let's see how they cover the story about what happened in Acapulco to the dozen Spanish tourists who were renting a place.

Now, that is a story that is going to move internationally and directly impact travel.
6 women raped at gunpoint on Monday, there were 14 people involved, the 6 victims and 7 men who were in the Spanish group and one Mexican woman who wasn't abused.
Bound with cel phone charger cords and robbed, as well.

The doofus that is the mayor of Acapulco explained that this sort of thing can happen anywhere. Yes, it can, but that sort of useless attitude has done nothing but add to problems in Guerrero to the point where people take the law into their own hands and the justice system, too. The Mexican justice system is undergoing a slow change towards oral trials rather than the written procedures for certain cases. It is also coming increasingly under the microscope because of the massive salaries and benefits and retirement packages along with the usual corruption.

What is strange about Acapulco is how they have avoided using the military for the police, like here in Veracruz. There was a big deal made about how both Veracruz and Guerrero were joining as partners in making the cities safer.
Hasn't worked out as planned.

This is an interesting situation because it appears to be non-narco related and more organized crime related, there is a difference to a degree. One of the biggest issues facing Mexico is how Pena Nieto is controlling the release of information related to crime and stifling it. This is a very clear danger to everyone because information doesn't get out or is purposely clouded to avoid political embarrassment and appearing weak. That has long been the rule here in Veracruz with the state controlling almost all media spare for a few radio and about 2 print outlets (Notiver and El Buen Tono being the exceptions and the Grupo Pasos radio stations, too).

Now, in my opinion, this is where the IMS thread really shines. You can get information pretty much in real time that is useful for routing and for addressing problems. Sure, you can still go to Acapulco and enjoy it, but the lack of tourism there has had a direct effect on the clubs and nightlife and there are a lot of unemployed service industry people wandering around these days. The latest event won't help things. That is a real shame because Acapulco had really begun to clean itself up after the big pollution problems in the bay and the damage from hurricane Paulina back in the mid-90's. It was really going well for more than a decade.

Guerrero could easily become a lightening rod for security in Mexico and I will bet that a half a dozen very innocent and unlucky individuals will be paraded as the perpetrators and frog marched in front of the cameras of Televisa in no time flat. Smells like another "gas build up" is going to be happening here.

Is Mexico safe? Yes. Is Acapulco safe? That's the question. A lot of international media outlets are going to start screaming about "Mexican violence" and not "Acapulco violence". That is where they get it wrong all the time.

I'll just avoid Acapulco like I did the area around San Raphael and Martinez de la Torre a few months back when things were getting a little too violent up there. This thread deserves its "sticky" because, in spite of the banter, you can still find solid information that is up to the minute and given to you straight up, and as far as Mexico goes, that is not that easy to find. To quote Bob Hesketh, "That's the way I see it, anyways".
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Old 02-05-2013, 09:26 AM   #12801
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Another hotspot in the recent past was San Fernando, Tamaulipas, and we'll be taking the loop around it later this week enroute to Cd. Victoria which has had its own activity recently.

I rode solo into San Fernado for fuel last July without any issues. Will post up here during the upcoming trip. We have already agreed to stop for anyone waiving guns in the air.

FYI: if you require premium fuel in the San Fernando area just stay on the loop for the Pemex there. The stations in town had only Magna.
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Old 02-05-2013, 09:28 AM   #12802
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Mexico may be just a little bit safer today since the Dept of Justice has sued to prevent Anheiser Busch from purchasing the other 50% of Grupo Modelo that Bud doesn't already own. Modelo is the 3rd largest brewer in the US by sales.


There is an article somewhere about how Busch/InBev is wanting to take Corona out of play because they fear craft beers. No, it doesn't make any sense to me either.


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Old 02-05-2013, 09:29 AM   #12803
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Whoa!

That's some serious stuff happening in Acapulco. Hadn't heard that up north here.

Several years ago, I took a cruise boat out of there, and was impressed with how much nicer the bay was, compared to 1990.

The cruise ships will NOT return if that's the current situation.
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Old 02-05-2013, 09:36 AM   #12804
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The cruise ship issue is a big one. Here, the state government has been trying unsuccessfully for years to attract tour boats. It's been a no go for the most part and for many reasons. The nortes are one thing, lack of infrastructure downtown is another, and a big deal is made whenever a cruise ship actually arrives. The highpoint of issues here back in 2011 didn't help things.
I think Acapulco has been off the map for some cruise lines for a little while.
The precedent in Acapulco was that it was a targeted attack on vacationing foreigners. That sort of thing was largely a no-no.
Like the Pemex building explosion last week, it'll become another test of Pena Nieto's administration and that is why they'll be some really unlucky guys being paraded around, soon.
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Old 02-05-2013, 10:37 AM   #12805
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Was in Nuevo Laredo for a few days last week. Except for the locals encouraging me to drink too much things were pretty peaceful. My only irritation was that I made three attempts to find a particular sushi place and never found it although I did find two other sushi joints by accident.

The Federales have some neat, new (to me) armored SUVs. Meant to catch a photo of one but completely forgot when I rode back into town.

Oh, and the toll on the bridge at the #1 crossing is now $1 for motorcycles.

Basically nothing dangerous to report.





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Old 02-05-2013, 11:01 AM   #12806
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It appears our resident ears on the ground, MikeMike, beat CNN to the punch.

Just noticed on their webpage- towards the top:

http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/05/world/...html?hpt=hp_t2


maybe they're secret lurkers.
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Old 02-05-2013, 01:16 PM   #12807
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I just posted this in another thread, and since it might be a good time to summarize the last 13,000 odd posts here, let me know if I missed anything.

Mexico safety.

1. Watch out for animals. A goat trying to make out with your front wheel at 60 mph can really spoil your day.
2. Watch out for unmarked "topes" - speed bumps. Also be ready for a road in perfect condition for miles to change to gravel in the middle of a blind corner. You'll need a ladder to climb out of some potholes.
3. Keep a spare "throw-down" wallet with a few hundred Pesos and hand it over without hesitation. Do not run from bad guys. None of us down here have ever been robbed, but from anecdotal reports, running never works out better than stopping. For crooked cops, feign ignorance.
4. Try not to ride after dark. #1 & #2 become an even bigger danger. If you have to ride after sunset, try to stay on the toll roads.
5. Learn some basic Spanish. A few words go a long way.
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Old 02-05-2013, 03:58 PM   #12808
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Is Mexico safe? Yes. Is Acapulco safe? That's the question. A lot of international media outlets are going to start screaming about "Mexican violence" and not "Acapulco violence". That is where they get it wrong all the time.
Right on target again MikeMike.

It may be wishful thinking but I'm seeing a bit more interest in Mexico travel from both riders and non-riders. Many people are starting to think for themselves again.
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Old 02-05-2013, 05:05 PM   #12809
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Right on target again MikeMike.

It may be wishful thinking but I'm seeing a bit more interest in Mexico travel from both riders and non-riders. Many people are starting to think for themselves again.

Three of us recently spent two weeks riding from Laredo, to Mexico City, Vera Cruz, Villahermosa (you can keep that town), Palenque, over the hills to the Pacific Coast and then back to Mexico City. It was one of the most incredible rides I've ever done, right up there with the ride to Prudhoe Bay.

Mexico is so unsafe that one of our riders spent an extra week or two at the beach (San Angustinillo)

Not one problem, but i do agree on them damned topes!!

Bottom line is that we will be spreading the word far and wide about how great it is in Mexico, especially on a motorcycle.
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Old 02-05-2013, 08:56 PM   #12810
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Safe As Long As You Have A Machete

The only way I feel safe riding in Ole Mexico is ridin with McFoil and tha Rusty Machetes! Well most of em anyway. I figure after 5 years of travilin south it pretty much pans out how it is sposed to.Tha way i see it is if you can survive the Espinazo del Diablo in the cold cold rain you've got it made! Goin back 5 more times just to see if ya missed any of the 2200 turns is just a bonus. Why would anyone in they're right mind Not Ride as far as they could in Mexico? The only thing that would impeed this prosess is cash and time. Which in my case one or the other determines the trip. Nothing but kind helpful people I have found in My Most Favorite Place in the World. El Jeffe AKA StinkyBoy13
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