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Old 07-12-2011, 09:36 AM   #601
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Got three bikes on the pop up today....

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Old 07-13-2011, 08:36 PM   #602
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Does this qualify as a little/light camper? It's only 48' long?









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Old 07-14-2011, 10:01 PM   #603
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Old 07-15-2011, 06:57 AM   #604
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I owned this sweet little camper for a short while. Super light and could even be towed by a motorcycle.













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Old 07-19-2011, 08:07 AM   #605
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1954 Vintage Retro Vakashunette

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Old 07-19-2011, 08:33 AM   #606
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Got three bikes on the pop up today....

What is the tongue weight when loaded like that? What is it with out anything in the front?
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Old 07-19-2011, 10:21 AM   #607
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Old 07-19-2011, 01:21 PM   #608
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Old 07-19-2011, 05:05 PM   #609
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Old 07-24-2011, 02:59 PM   #610
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What is the tongue weight when loaded like that? What is it with out anything in the front?
Alot...I wish I had a way to weigh it. I pull it with a Jeep Liberty (diesel), had to add some Air Lift bags in the rear to prevent to suspension sag. Either air bags or weight distributing bars are a must on this trailer. Think of it more like a 22' travel trailer frame with a pop up on it. Pulls great with the bigger wheels and longer than normal frame.
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Old 07-24-2011, 08:06 PM   #611
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Alot...I wish I had a way to weigh it. I pull it with a Jeep Liberty (diesel), had to add some Air Lift bags in the rear to prevent to suspension sag. Either air bags or weight distributing bars are a must on this trailer. Think of it more like a 22' travel trailer frame with a pop up on it. Pulls great with the bigger wheels and longer than normal frame.
Here is a way to measure the tongue weight with a bathroom scale.

http://www.etrailer.com/faq-trailertowtips.aspx

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Old 07-24-2011, 10:31 PM   #612
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Think of it more like a 22' travel trailer frame with a pop up on it. Pulls great with the bigger wheels and longer than normal frame.
I don't think you can compare it with a 22' trailer. More like a 30+ft trailer. 3 bikes at a couple hundred pounds each (my best guess) and 300-400 on the trailer tongue itself (depending on your trailer model). Add battery, full propane tank, and fuel in the bikes you could be 900-1000 lbs tongue weight.

I'd reconsider the Liberty as being a good tow vehicle.
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Old 07-25-2011, 12:03 PM   #613
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I don't think you can compare it with a 22' trailer. More like a 30+ft trailer. 3 bikes at a couple hundred pounds each (my best guess) and 300-400 on the trailer tongue itself (depending on your trailer model). Add battery, full propane tank, and fuel in the bikes you could be 900-1000 lbs tongue weight.

I'd reconsider the Liberty as being a good tow vehicle.
It's a dangerous design as it's WAY too easy to overload your vehicle hitch - if they wanted it to work right, the axle would be rather farther forward and the unladen tongue weight would be about 10 lbs. Rule of thumb is tongue weight on a conventional trailer is 10% of the GVW of the trailer. Actually, the axle would be adjustable if they really wanted to do it right.

I used to tow a glider [sailplane] trailer that held a 15 meter glider - those wings were each one piece, so the trailer was roughly 10 meters OA or 35' long with one axle. Weight was about 1,500 lbs. Used to wag the CJ-5 once you got above 50 mph - was dangerous. My VW Rabbit would tow it at 80, perfectly stable.

But what do I know, I only studied elementary physics but I can read a force diagram.

And you see a lot of pop ups with toy porches fully loaded these days. I don't think our economy is as bad as everyone thinks, everyone camping has a full campsite full of toys. Here in CO, it's lots of double bottom rigs - Pickup, 5th week AND a trailer full of toys. Tell me all these people are broke will ya?
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Old 07-25-2011, 12:25 PM   #614
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Great idea for a trailer, but hard to manage tongue weights.

Those trailers need weight distribution hitches in the worst way. Empty front deck, hopefully you still have the needed 10% tongue weight needed for stable towing. Loaded with maybe 600-1000 pounds of bikes you are overloading the tongue weight down force on many hitches and tow vehicles. With WDH you help manage the new loaded weight.

My toy hauler carried the bikes over the axles, did not mater much whether the trailer was loaded with 0, 1, or 2 bikes, tongue hitch weight was always about the same.
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And you see a lot of pop ups with toy porches fully loaded these days. I don't think our economy is as bad as everyone thinks, everyone camping has a full campsite full of toys. Here in CO, it's lots of double bottom rigs - Pickup, 5th week AND a trailer full of toys. Tell me all these people are broke will ya?
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