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Old 09-12-2014, 04:59 PM   #1
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Question 1190 won't start

Hi,

I've been having issues starting my KTM 1190 adv. std. for a while,
but it finally died on me.
Any advice before I rent a trailer to take it to the dealer 3hr away?

Here's what I noticed:

Has always been slow to start since March.
I chalked it to the big 1200 engine having lots of compression.

two months ago, I added the factory alarm that plugs in the factory harness and sits in the tail of the bike.

A month ago, it refused to start again,
and this time rather than recharging the battery,
I bought a new LiFePO battery with 290CCA
instead of the OEM YTZ14 230 CCA (and the special charger).

Since then, the starting has been getting worse.
symptoms felt like the battery was bad again,
despite recharging it with the special charger.

On fresh mornings, the bike would refuse to start.
On a warm evening after a full charge the bike starts. Great. Shut it down.
Next fresh northern californian morning, next day, the bike again refuses to start.

It has gotten so bad that now the bike fully refuses to start.

I pulled out the tail and removed the factory alarm from the circuit.
It still refuses to start...

two things I noticed:
1) it cranks a tiny bit slowly to my taste.
2) I smell gas out of the exhaust when cranking, so I believe I have fuel delivery.
I'm probably missing spark.

What should I check next?
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Old 09-12-2014, 05:20 PM   #2
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I purchased mine in January and had similar issues.....a fully charged battery kept on a trickle charger was my best option and it helped. When cold, the battery starter combo is weak. This winter I plan to keep it on the trickle charger, run 5-40 oil, and keep it in my heated garage. Once I ran the bike and then shut it off it always started even when left outside for hours.

Once you haul it to the dealer and it sits in their warm shop.....it will start right up.

Best I can come up with for you short of, if yours is stored outside to install a Kats Heating pad on the underside to keep the oil warm.
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Old 09-12-2014, 09:18 PM   #3
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I purchased mine in January and had similar issues.....a fully charged battery kept on a trickle charger was my best option and it helped. When cold, the battery starter combo is weak. This winter I plan to keep it on the trickle charger, run 5-40 oil, and keep it in my heated garage. Once I ran the bike and then shut it off it always started even when left outside for hours.

Once you haul it to the dealer and it sits in their warm shop.....it will start right up.

Best I can come up with for you short of, if yours is stored outside to install a Kats Heating pad on the underside to keep the oil warm.
Agree, this is why I avoided fitting the alarm, at fully charged bike swings slow, in the cold it's a hit and run, add alarm that taps the battery 24/7 then forget it.

I fitted the trickle charge plug and keep it on the Optimate Charger as I'm running the 2nd stock battery.
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Old 09-13-2014, 05:29 PM   #4
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Check if your bike is on the recall for starter cables. Early 2014 models had a bad crimp and they will replace under warranty.
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Old 09-14-2014, 11:02 AM   #5
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@Kag:
Thanks for the advice, but I am in California in Summer: I am NOT going to put a heating pad when the lowest temp of the day is 65F ;-)

@Suddenstop:
Thanks I have a call with the dealer to find if there are any recall for mine.

I've been able to get the bike to start yesterday by performing a computer reset: the bike was refusing to start, I unbolted the two battery cables, let it sit for 20+mn, rebolted the battery cables, contact and it started right away... Yeah!

Of course this morning, it again refused to start, but looks like the battery was low... parasite drain?
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Old 09-15-2014, 03:14 PM   #6
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two things I noticed:
1) it cranks a tiny bit slowly to my taste.
2) I smell gas out of the exhaust when cranking, so I believe I have fuel delivery.
I'm probably missing spark.
What should I check next?
Using a voltmeter across the battery terminals, check the voltage before and during cranking the engine. Should not drop to less than 11.5 volts while cranking, and if it is less then either the battery or the charger is faulty.

If the voltage while cranking is 11.5 volts or higher, then there may be a fault in the wiring between the battery and the starter motor. There was a service note issued to replace these cables for some 1190 owners.
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Old 09-15-2014, 03:19 PM   #7
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just kick it over!
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Old 09-15-2014, 05:09 PM   #8
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2014 1190's and 1290's produced before November 22, 2013 need new battery cables.

Here's the info.
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Old 09-15-2014, 05:33 PM   #9
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2014 1190's and 1290's produced before November 22, 2013 need new battery cables.

Here's the info.
They may need them but....I got some of them new battery cables.....no change. As it gets colder we will see more of this, just like last winter. If anyone that lives where it even remotely gets cool, let alone cold, a trickle charger will be your best winter investment.

And yes I believe there is parasitic drain

Just sayin
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They may need them but....I got some of them new battery cables.....no change. As it gets colder we will see more of this, just like last winter. If anyone that lives where it even remotely gets cool, let alone cold, a trickle charger will be your best winter investment.

And yes I believe there is parasitic drain

Just sayin
Yea, fortunately I don't see those cold temps often anymore. But there are other issues relating to this problem. Charging voltages are low for AGM if you believe the voltages shown on the dash and the battery is way undersized for a V twin of this size.
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Pissed Guess...

So, I am in California in Summer, the lows have been around 65F,
I have the bike since March only,
and still I've destroyed two batteries...
I cannot even imagine how many stock batteries I'll use in Winter...

How do folks on the east coast do? Always in a heated garage?

I've a weird feeling that the stock battery is inadequate to start that twin...

I am not happy...

I've been thinking....

Still not happy...

More Angry!


OK, time for plan C (The plan B - Shorai 19Ah / 285 CCA failed quickly).

I believe I opened a new world of experimentation in starting/cranking...

Guess how much CCA (Cold Cranking Amps) do I have under the saddle now?

I'll give you a hint:


Tonight, I'm feeling happy. Let's see how it starts tomorrow cold.
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So, I am in California in Summer, the lows have been around 65F,
I have the bike since March only,
and still I've destroyed two batteries...
I cannot even imagine how many stock batteries I'll use in Winter...

How do folks on the east coast do? Always in a heated garage?

I've a weird feeling that the stock battery is inadequate to start that twin...

I am not happy...

I've been thinking....

Still not happy...

More Angry!


OK, time for plan C (The plan B - Shorai 19Ah / 285 CCA failed quickly).

I believe I opened a new world of experimentation in starting/cranking...

Guess how much CCA (Cold Cranking Amps) do I have under the saddle now?

I'll give you a hint:


Tonight, I'm feeling happy. Let's see how it starts tomorrow cold.
Since you/re thinking LiFePO4, you need to read (if you haven't already).
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Its not the battery. You need to find the root cause. They start/run fine in the cold. I've ridden mine down in the 20s. No heated garage. Bad ground sounds pretty likely to me.
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Old Today, 07:35 AM   #14
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Its not the battery. You need to find the root cause. They start/run fine in the cold. I've ridden mine down in the 20s. No heated garage. Bad ground sounds pretty likely to me.
Yep, you're correct, it's not the battery.

Despite the third battery, this morning at 66F, it did not start
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