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Old 04-01-2010, 02:06 PM   #76
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Old 04-01-2010, 03:13 PM   #77
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Old 04-01-2010, 03:18 PM   #78
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Old 04-01-2010, 04:12 PM   #79
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Carrizo Plain scouting report ...

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Continuing rain this season (2009-2010) has left many roads impassible even for four wheel drive vehicles. Although the roads have begun to dry out there are gullies and washes that make roads impassable for low clearance vehicles.
Currently Soda Lake Road, which bisects the 37 mile length Carrizo Plain National Monument, is the only reliable road. About 18 miles of Soda Lake Road's length is paved, the remainder is dirt.
Hi all,

Can't make this one, have to be umbrella boy at a track day on Easter ...

We spent this past Sunday and Monday in the Carrizo Plain ...

Pipeline Road had a "road closed" sign, and the area above Selby was still behind a locked gate ... Elkhorn Pass, Elkhorn Road, Paridise Road, Hurricane Road, and the ridge roads north of Hurricane Road are all dry and in fine shape for bikes ... lots of wildflowers, too. Soda Lake Road is, of course, dry and fast. We maybe saw two puddles north of Hurricane Road, but easily rode around them. So we probably could have done everything on Gripsters [we were on loaded KLRs with 606s].

From the ridge north of Hurricane the gate near the northernmost microwave tower was locked, as were all the gates leading towards 58 [which I suppose is usually the case ... we were trying to get to Taft that way but had to backtrack to Hurricane]. We could not find the road that is supposed to go up from Elkhorn Road to the ridge north of Hurricane from either the ridge or the valley ... seems to be one on the map ...?

We got gas at the cafe near The Place after 12 noon on Monday, and took the Quatal Canyon Road [dirt and dry w/ big vados] up to Cerro Noroeste back to Carrizo ...

KLC should be a good meet-up point ... we found Selby too buggy to stay at ... so we left and took advantage of the car camping areas in the foothills above Elkhorn Road ... no flying bugs at either of our "car" camps ...

There was gas in Taft and Maricopa, of course ...

A lot of rain may change things, but it would take a lot ... a bit will keep the dust down and prolong the wildflowers ... you all should enjoy great conditions!

OK, wish I were going with you ... see you soon,
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PS: here is a pic we took from our campsite above Soda Lake to whet your appitites ... have fun!

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Old 04-01-2010, 04:33 PM   #80
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PS Rick Cooper is the one that is responible (when it was open and he has since closed) for clear creek fees..

http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/2007/E7-12412.htm

I would not trust him as far as I could throw him and im sure hes fat..
Yes, the same guy that enacted fees to enter Clear Creek...less than one year before closing it...then spent zillions of tax-payer dollars building a decontamination station that, if he has his way, no one will ever use

The soulless bastard isn't fat. This is the guy right here...



The BLM brought this guy to the Hollister Field Office and he's already managed to close 2 legal riding areas, Kettleman Hills and Clear Creek, and it looks like he will be at the helm when street-legal motorcycles are officially booted out of Tumey/Panoche as well. This is also the guy that we will expect to go to bat for us when the busybodies at PEER decide to cut their losses at Carnegie and go after Hollister instead. He is bad news.

I have a really hard time believing that street-legal motorcycles can be legally banned from entering public lands, especially on the grounds that BLM is of the opinion that dirtbikes are tearing up the land. I just don't think this can be right. This might be a good time for the AMA to prove they are anything other than useless by stepping in to right an egregious wrong and end the discrimination. I will not be holding my breath.



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Old 04-01-2010, 05:05 PM   #81
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Meat I cant make ..I was gonna ride from my house and do a big day out tumey way to meet you guys but my wife took off to Austrailia and now have a 14yr old home on spring break.. sorry

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Old 04-01-2010, 05:22 PM   #82
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SFMCjohn, thanks for the up-to-date info and inspiring photo! Consider my appetite duly whetted. In fact, it's soaked right now. Can't wait to check out the Plain. Hopefully I'll have some tasty pics of my own to post when we get back.
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Old 04-01-2010, 06:11 PM   #83
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Panoche closure ... ?

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SFMCjohn, thanks for the up-to-date info and inspiring photo! Consider my appetite duly whetted. In fact, it's soaked right now. Can't wait to check out the Plain. Hopefully I'll have some tasty pics of my own to post when we get back.
Thanks Gester! Looking forward to seeing your pics ... thinking about trying to get down to Carrizo on 4/10 for the Place's monthly BBQ ...

Woodschick: Thanks for the photo/info on Rick Cooper ... I've been poking around the Blue Ribbon Coalition and BLM's websites, and may e-mail some polititian for an explanation ... talk about not holding your breath, ha!

Anyway, I'm thinking about the rumor that they are simply locking the gate as an excuse to get back out there this year ... if I get seen by the BLM guy I'll just say that I heard at Mercy that they were going to lock Panoche permanenty, by bilding a much bigger gate and fence due to the ongoing trash problem ... that I just wanted 'one last look', happy childhood memories, etc., sniff, sniff, weep.

I'm thinking that it would be hard for them to give me a ticked for "tearing up" an area that they are going to close permanently anyway ... ? Especially with my grey hair and staid KLR, if I stay on the established roads, which I do anyway ... Or that they'd be interested anymore in sending a message by giving a ticket, if they're simply locking it up for all vehicles soon?

Oh, the BLM grants grazing rights permits that last 10 years ... another thought was to contact the company that is running the sheep there now ... offer to bring their employees care packages of cookies, etc, during their two week stint ...

There are other permits on the BLM website, one of which is a "recreation permit" for a non-profit event for over 75 people ... the local BLM office has to respond in 48 hours or the permit is deemed granted ... this is a new permit, I'm sure it costs $$, but it was developed in response to a feeling that the recreational permit process had to be more transparent ... The FAQ on the permit makes interesting reading ... the local office has to give a reason in writing if it denies the permit and the "presumption" is that such permits should be granted ...

Anyway, sorry ... blah, blah ...

Maybe I can get a grazing permit for one sheep next year ...? It would cost $1.35, IIRC ... Ha. :-)

See you out there,
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Old 04-01-2010, 06:22 PM   #84
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Link to pics of Panoche/Tumey Hills ...

Here is a link to my pal Kalle's pics from our recent expedition ... they give an idea of what the areas are like that the BLM wants to lock to all vehicles ...

Sorry about the link, I'm an ADV pic doofus ... there are a bunch of pics of Carrizo in the middle, too ...

http://kalle.com/photo_album/Bike_Ri...2010/index.htm

See you out there,
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Old 04-01-2010, 06:39 PM   #85
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I have a really hard time believing that street-legal motorcycles can be legally banned from entering public lands,
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Me too, I don’t think it is legal. Government keeps pushing the envelop of its power though. It takes litigation to stop them.

I see I need to make the ride to the Carrizo Plain. It looks to me like I could do this loop in a day but it would be a very long day for me.

Car camping, what is that? Could I pitch a tent? If I came into a campground late, there should not be a problem with me sleeping on a picnic table?
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Old 04-01-2010, 06:49 PM   #86
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sorry to hear you can't make it Michael - 2-up is probably not a good idea eh?

john, thanks for the report and photos; I've altered our route for speed and refueling already:

Google Map

After Parkfield I put us on the speed route to the valley that will run us through McKittrick, but we may have to duck to Taft for fuel, then back to Hurricane Rd and across the plain (on map) or just thru Maricopa and up the hill (33) for the south entrance to the Plain. Can we cross the middle of the valley or too wet?

scottmac, we may be in late on Friday; can't leave SJ before noon I fear. Should be there before 9pm... PM me if you want contact info.

some talk of local fuel and food here:
http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...71#post7933871

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Old 04-01-2010, 08:46 PM   #87
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I see I need to make the ride to the Carrizo Plain. It looks to me like I could do this loop in a day but it would be a very long day for me.

Car camping, what is that? Could I pitch a tent? If I came into a campground late, there should not be a problem with me sleeping on a picnic table?
There are picnic tables at KCL.
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Old 04-02-2010, 05:20 AM   #88
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There are picnic tables at KCL.
Oh, what I am really asking is, how controlled is this area? But it doesn’t matter I need to go down and look at it.
I like the route down and I can loop west of 101 on the way back perhaps.
Anyway, later this month for me; you guys have fun
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Oh, what I am really asking is, how controlled is this area? But it doesn’t matter I need to go down and look at it.
I like the route down and I can loop west of 101 on the way back perhaps.
Anyway, later this month for me; you guys have fun
Take a look at that campsite on Google Earth. It's pretty darn remote!
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Oh, what I am really asking is, how controlled is this area? But ...
Remote, and open: there are no fees for camping.

Gathering my crap; loading up; getting ready...
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