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Old 04-11-2010, 03:25 AM   #91
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Chitown. I enjoyed the hell out of your posts and pics while I had the 8GS. Sold it cuz the 12GS suits me better. Keep up the good work, the great trips and do your best to ignore some of the ///////////////////////.

I ride about 30k solo each year and have about 10% of your skill but at least I ride and maintain my bike.
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Old 04-11-2010, 03:27 AM   #92
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Well in response to the topic, and this may be all over the place but I've had a less then pleasurable experience with my dealer and F8 not withstanding my GSA. I sorted the issue with the GSA in buying Cast wheels and sending the Spoked ones to Woody to fix so I will live with that.
The F8 on the other hand is my ongoing struggle. I too hate my throttle offroad yet that's manageable, but my biggest complaint is my engine. I've mentioned it before on here but I think I'm alone on the planet with my complaint that no one wants to help out, not even my dealer. They refuse to believe me or admit there's a problem with the F8 motor. I have a knocking sound under 3500 rpm when strain is put on the motor in any gear, especially starting off. It gets worst when the engine warms up and is annoying as Fuck! I went back to the dealer for help but was brushed off and told to put miles on it to see what happens.
From day one it had a dent in the rim, tube pinched between the tire and wheel, wiring run short so at almost full left steering lock the left fork tube would bring up in the wiring harness. I stripped the bike down to re-route the cabling and secure it. No biggie I guess, but the tire issue could have killed me if I didn't notice soon enough. Imagine having a blowout in the front tire at speed on it's madden run! Oh and I forgot to mention they didn't do a PDI on the bike and admitted to it in a reply email, so that's why it was missed. Oil level was low too so I had to add more. Yes I know how to check it and I covered that in an earlier post on here last year in some discussions with fellow Advriders! My biggest complain though is still my engine and If I could get that resolved I would be happy. I know I'm not a Master Mechanic but I'm educated enough to know there's something wrong with it cause no other F8 I have heard sounds like it or does it, Anywhere, or at least not that anyone is admitting! I am going out of my way again this summer and riding 1200kms on my GSA for another request but while I'm there I'm going to ask my dealer one last time what they will do for me again on this matter. So if I don't get the response I'm expecting after buying 3 bikes from them then I'll have to draw a line in the sand, so to speak. At least most of you have a dealer close enough to visit when issues arise but it's a major effort (PITA) for me. I remember when I was looking at BMW for the 1st time before I bought the GSA I asked a question about buying BMW when the closest dealer was so far away an inmate told me not to hesitate and not to let it stop me from buying BMW for that reason cause I'll be fine. Well, I should have went with my gut feeling, in hind sight and left well enough alone cause if I didn't have bad luck I wouldn't have any. To tell you the trueth I bought the F8 cause I thought it would be a better machine and sell the GSA but that backfired on me.
I like riding the F8 and how it performs but with it's issues it makes it frustrating. Yes the rims are soft and I have more dents!
So, Theres my Rant.
What would you have me do????
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Old 04-11-2010, 03:35 AM   #93
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[quote=ChiTown]
But, see, after you came in my thread
What makes this "your" thread?

It is you who is the problem.

No mate, the problem only arose when you started slinging personal insults at people who didn't agree with you.


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Old 04-11-2010, 07:34 AM   #94
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Who are the "we" you are referring to, the ADV collective community? Perhaps you might want to start a poll to determine the answer.

Originally Posted by Apostolos
It's kind of ironic because it's the original poster (chi) who turned it into a soap opera because he couldn't take some benign criticism.

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We means more than one, not only me, who would classify your commentary as provoking an off-topic discussion and escalating the conversation to offensive remarks.

You should know it is not by calling someone a dickhead that the problem started. It is because people act as dickheads that the problems start. Have you seen the cartoon by GB?




I think you should think better about it, and see what role you play in this progression. And to help a bit, you should know that the self-proclaimed righteous people are not necessarily the righteous ones, if there ever need to be a righteous one.

But I don't want to discuss these things here, we have the basement for this, and I truly recommend you take a tour of the basement. And especially I recommend you spend some time in CS&M. I think you will be a perfect fit.

Now, back to the bikes, do you have a problem with yours? What year and color? How many miles and where do you ride it, and in what kind of pavement, off pavement?

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Old 04-11-2010, 07:48 AM   #95
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Originally Posted by ChiTown

But, see, after you came in my thread
What makes this "your" thread?

It is you who is the problem.

No mate, the problem only arose when you started slinging personal insults at people who didn't agree with you.


Come on guzzimike, you are escalating the issues here. Remember, it is not who first said "dickhead" who started it... it generally is the one who acts like a dickhead who starts the problem.

And here, when people refer to "my" thread, it is a jargon to reflect who started the thread, also referred to as the OP (original poster, i believe).

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Old 04-11-2010, 07:55 AM   #96
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Chi, I know u really love that bike. Why else would u call her 'The Yellow Bitch'? That's affection if I've ever heard it.
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Old 04-11-2010, 08:02 AM   #97
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ChiTown, it's amusing to read your responses. You cite someone for being "sensitive", yet your passive-aggressive behavior indicates that you are the one who's a little too thin-skinned.

Apostolos never brought God into the conversation, but yet you felt compelled to do so in order to prove some useless point. At least in my opinion it seems you bully people to compensate for some underlying insecurities, which would explain the passive-aggressive nature of your posts in this thread. Of course it could be that you're just really, really immature.

Please come back and insult me as well, you'll help to prove my assumptions.
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Old 04-11-2010, 08:05 AM   #98
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I think this is good time for a moderator to step in?
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ChiTown, it's amusing to read your responses. You cite someone for being "sensitive", yet your passive-aggressive behavior indicates that you are the one who's a little too thin-skinned.

Apostolos never brought God into the conversation, but yet you felt compelled to do so in order to prove some useless point. At least in my opinion it seems you bully people to compensate for some underlying insecurities, which would explain the passive-aggressive nature of your posts in this thread. Of course it could be that you're just really, really immature.

Please come back and insult me as well, you'll help to prove my assumptions.
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Old 04-11-2010, 08:28 AM   #99
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That visual aid was passed on to me by one of the inmates on here when dealing with another keyboard cowboy... From a moderating point of view, we've seen this all too frequently.. An inmate takes offense to something said, responds in kind, and the pissing match begins... then the post is reported, or we come across it and it's time to clean up.

Civility has always been in force on this site, even from the early days. Back then there were a handful of regulars who ribbed each other, because for the most part they knew one another. Jo Momma was added later as the site grew and acts as a release valve for letting loose, it's not quite a free for all (check out the posted rules in JM), but it's pretty close.

Now, we are processing around 100 new members every day, day in, day out, 365 days a year.. With well over 150,000 registered members, things have evolved and the rules have had to be clear and precise. This site is run by volunteers and takes a lot of our time. We have a few basic rules that apply in all the riding and equipment forums, which can be summed up as follows:
1. No pimping outside of Vendors or the Flea market.
2. No personal threats, or threats against political figures.
3. No porn! (No nips or genitalia.).
4. Be civil in your posts.

If this is too complicated to follow, there are other sandboxes out there that may be a better fit for some of you who find it difficult to be civil. If you have an issue with someone, use private messaging to discuss it. Things escalate very quickly when the dick waving happens in public.

And as we like to say in the admin lounge, high maintenance inmates get the boot. We're not here to babysit anyone one inmate. We will use our moderating tools to accomplish our goal of keeping this place a friendly place to visit, learn, share and teach.

If you have any further issues, please PM me and keep this thread rolling. I won't be adding any more to it. And when I get around to it, I will be posting the Boxers rules in P.U. in case anyone needs a refresher.

If you see a post that you find offensive or violates the posted rules, PM me, or use the Blame Maddbrit link to report it and we'll deal with it if we deem it necessary to do so.
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Old 04-11-2010, 08:41 AM   #100
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If people don't want to be called a dickhead, they shouldn't say dickhead things.
It's not like ChiTown is attacking someone who asked a "stupid question".

When you say things like "hey master mechanic" I'd call you a dickhead too.

Bottom line is the guy rides his bike a lot. Like a real lot.
He rides hard. Really, really hard because that's the way he likes to ride.
His bike has not held up. To make things worse he's not had the support of BMW or it's network of dealers.

He's just telling the facts, and in this thread wants to know what other owners have experienced.

I think some are taking it personally and defending their F800 because they love it.
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Old 04-11-2010, 10:39 AM   #101
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Part of me wants to side with Chi-town on this, as he has had a host of problems with his bike and has gotten blown off by the dealers. I have been lucky by comparison, in spite of having more issues with this bike than any other of 25 or so I have owned previously, my dealer has been responsive and to date all have been repaired.

It must be like rubbing salt in the wound to Chi-town, for new riders to post how trouble free their bike is, when it is obvious that they have low mileage, or not taken the time to read some of the postings from the beginning and obviously don't use the bike in the same type of terrain. Go to the frarkle thread and it is readily apparent that a lot of riders are not using this bike in the same manner that some of us are.

I have gotten over the anger part, now I just feel bad over the missed opportunity that BMW had to build something that lived up to the hype, in order to cut cost. I know I have the option to build it into what I want, but would have preferred the basics intalled by BMW.

I believe quality control was/is an issue on the earlier bikes. You don't hear anything about immobilizers, but it took 3 or 4 tries in Europe to get that sorted. Chains were an issue in Europe and early N. American bikes. They were upgraded in 5/09 without any fanfare and customers footing the bill. Cracked tanks were an American phenom. In my case 8 mos passed before being resolved. My dealer told me to wait, while others got fitted with old stock with X% chance of failing again. Bent suspension bolts?, all I can say is that BMW engineers spec'd the original chains, so maybe they are not infallable.

I have seen criticism of customer abuse or that this bike is a street bike and not really intended for the terrain customers are using it. To the first, maybe a few have, but on the other hand I ridden some of the same terrain where bent bolts and bent rims occured and I don't think a washboarded road should be too tough to handle. If this bike is only capable of light off road travel, maybe BMW should have chosen a different advertising model, but that would not sell bikes. Some of us have been labeled whiners, well I believe some of that whining has resulted in improvement you benefit from. The bottom line is, I don't care how wonderful your bike is, I am dealing with my realities and am only concerned with fixing them.

With that off my chest, I believe resorting to inflammatory rhetoric only diminishes the message. It makes it to easy to write off the poster as some kind of crackpot not worthy of listening to, which I believe is a mistake.
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Old 04-11-2010, 11:27 AM   #102
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Good summary of the situation. Thanks!

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Part of me wants to side with Chi-town on this, as he has had a host of problems with his bike and has gotten blown off by the dealers. I have been lucky by comparison, in spite of having more issues with this bike than any other of 25 or so I have owned previously, my dealer has been responsive and to date all have been repaired.

It must be like rubbing salt in the wound to Chi-town, for new riders to post how trouble free their bike is, when it is obvious that they have low mileage, or not taken the time to read some of the postings from the beginning and obviously don't use the bike in the same type of terrain. Go to the frarkle thread and it is readily apparent that a lot of riders are not using this bike in the same manner that some of us are.

I have gotten over the anger part, now I just feel bad over the missed opportunity that BMW had to build something that lived up to the hype, in order to cut cost. I know I have the option to build it into what I want, but would have preferred the basics intalled by BMW.

I believe quality control was/is an issue on the earlier bikes. You don't hear anything about immobilizers, but it took 3 or 4 tries in Europe to get that sorted. Chains were an issue in Europe and early N. American bikes. They were upgraded in 5/09 without any fanfare and customers footing the bill. Cracked tanks were an American phenom. In my case 8 mos passed before being resolved. My dealer told me to wait, while others got fitted with old stock with X% chance of failing again. Bent suspension bolts?, all I can say is that BMW engineers spec'd the original chains, so maybe they are not infallable.

I have seen criticism of customer abuse or that this bike is a street bike and not really intended for the terrain customers are using it. To the first, maybe a few have, but on the other hand I ridden some of the same terrain where bent bolts and bent rims occured and I don't think a washboarded road should be too tough to handle. If this bike is only capable of light off road travel, maybe BMW should have chosen a different advertising model, but that would not sell bikes. Some of us have been labeled whiners, well I believe some of that whining has resulted in improvement you benefit from. The bottom line is, I don't care how wonderful your bike is, I am dealing with my realities and am only concerned with fixing them.

With that off my chest, I believe resorting to inflammatory rhetoric only diminishes the message. It makes it to easy to write off the poster as some kind of crackpot not worthy of listening to, which I believe is a mistake.
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Old 04-11-2010, 11:28 AM   #103
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Originally Posted by DolphinJohn
If people don't want to be called a dickhead, they shouldn't say dickhead things.
It's not like ChiTown is attacking someone who asked a "stupid question".

When you say things like "hey master mechanic" I'd call you a dickhead too.

Bottom line is the guy rides his bike a lot. Like a real lot.
He rides hard. Really, really hard because that's the way he likes to ride.
His bike has not held up. To make things worse he's not had the support of BMW or it's network of dealers.

He's just telling the facts, and in this thread wants to know what other owners have experienced.

I think some are taking it personally and defending their F800 because they love it.


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Old 04-11-2010, 11:58 AM   #104
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Chitown, I for one want to thank you for posting the problems that you have had with the little YB!
I bought S/N ZU00123 back in July of 09. I have ridden it very little so far, only 1800 miles. (mainly due to health issues). So far only problems have been.

1. Front axle recall - In shop today being checked

2. Ran out of fuel one time (I pushed it to far - I now carry a few 20oz fuel bottles) - New sender being installed today (Warranty) (I didn't ask for this - it came up when tech ran my VIN)

3. External shroud of fuel tank cracked on both sides (Warranty - being replaced today)

4. Rerouting vent line - came up when tech ran VIN

5. Power delivery very snatchy off idle - Great for pavement, in the gravel - NOT SO MUCH!!)

6. (This is a subjective item)
Seat is the absolute worst of the 17 bikes I have owned. I plan on ordering an AIR HAWK to help that out. (Seriously BMW - did anyone actually test ride this seat design?) Even my KTM 250EXC seat was not this bad.


A big thanks to Chitown and others for posting problems and solutions. I have been lurking for a year and have learned a lot. I will keep an eye out for the other issues and deal with them if and when they occur.

P.S. Chitown - I have lived vicariously through your ride reports. I feel like I was there. Thanks

All problems resolved and then some (except for seat).

(1) I have a new fuel tank (replaced cracked one)

(2) New fuel sender installed.

(3) Vacuum lines rerouted to eliminate stalling while riding in rain

(4) Front axle checked - was found to be OK.

(5) Radiator hose replaced (didn't even ask about this one)

(6) Reprogrammed ECM which solved the snatchy throttle - Feels less strong off of idle now. Which is fine, as I was concerned about being in a slight turn on gravel and having the back end come around. Throttle was like an on/off switch. It is now much more linear.

Dropped off at dealer on Monday 04/05/10 @ 05:30 PM - done on Saturday 04/10/10 @ 10:00 AM.
Total cost to me = $ 00.00 and it was repaired during some really awful wet and cold weather.
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Old 04-11-2010, 12:01 PM   #105
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Interesting... the heading says I'm in Parallel Universe but I got here from Jo Momma.... good for me, otherwise I'd not have seen this enjoyable wordfest. Hey, it's a lazy, rainy Sunday. What else have I got to do.

Kudos to BMW for apparently having a "Close to Civilization, you can break down now" detector on the F800. I wonder where they hid it? Perhaps the same place dealers hide a lo jack?

I knew there was a reason to hate chains.

Now, regarding the topic that got this apparently at least partly kicked to Jo Momma. ChiTown posted this:



Ouch... doing any work at 1 AM sucks.

The subject then drifted over to batteries and sospelotudo said:

Quote:
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Disclaimer: I am a BMW master tech...
and went on to talk about batteries from that point of view.

Then RicH2 reposted the above image with the comment...

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Hey uhhhh....master mechanic....might want to cover up those intakes when working on your bike.....especially in the dirt.
Ooops. ChiTown never claimed to be a master mechanic, only a guy trying to fix a bike a 1 AM in the dirt. Is that what started all of this, a misattribution of quotes?

Enjoy the bike. Hopefully future issues are few and far between, but if something's gotta break it's good that it happens close to civilization.
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