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Old 04-29-2010, 09:41 PM   #76
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Anyone like to comment on which one is better and why Senna or F4?
Read webbikeworld.com reviews and compare for yourself. Biggest difference is 3.5mm accessory input jack,large jog dial, and ability to charge while riding (along with an included cigarette charger that most don't have).
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Old 04-30-2010, 03:14 AM   #77
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Hi I want to purchase either an Interfone F4 or the Senna but not sure if you need a cable from I phone to senna to listen to music, can anyone clear this up for me?
If you don't need the cable, why do they have the input socket on the Senna?
I have an Autocom at the moment but cant connect Bluetooth and don't want to buy the Bluetooth module to connect Zumo and Iphone because I don't like the cables to helmet, which is why I am buy a pair of BT units.
Also can you listen to music via BT from Iphone to F4?
It doesn't work with zumo and iPhone. At least I couldn't get it to work. There's a priority issue. Here's what Sena told me
Thank you for using Sena product, SMH10
As you may already know, there are two different way of Bluetooth
connection, one is Handsfree Profile (or Headset Profile) which is for
mobile phone, and the other is A2DP (Advanced Audio Distribution
Profile) which is for Bluetooth Stereo Music profile. The rule of thumb
is that only one Bluetooth connection for each profile. So you cannot
connect two mobile phones or two Stereo Music devices at the same time.
One mobile phone and one MP3 device is OK, because phone is using
Handsfree, MP3 device is using A2DP.

Zumo 550 uses only Handsfree (more technically it uses Headset Profile),
not Bluetooth Stereo Music Profile. But iPhone uses two profiles at the
same time, Headset Profile and Bluetooth Profile. So, technically with
the SMH10, you can use Zumo 550 for Handsfree (including navigation
also), and iPhone only for Stereo Music. However, iPhone does not allow
you to choose the Stereo Music profile only. So you have to replace the
iPhone/Sena SMH10 Handsfree connection to the iPhone/Zumo connection
(Handsfree) and Zumo/Sena SMH10 connection (Handsfree) remaining only
iPhone/Sena SMH10 Stereo Music connection.

What you have to do is,

1. Pair iPhone to Zumo (Only Handsfree profile will be established.)
2. Pair Zumo to Sena SMH10 (Only Handsfree profile will be established)
3. Pair iPhone to Sena SMH10 (Automatically Handsfree + Stereo Music
profile will be established), then you will lose Zumo/Sena connection as
you said. And you will also lose Zumo iPhone connection. (Because iPhone
uses two profiles at the same time only for the Sena SMH10)

4. On the Zumo user screen, "Connect Phone", select your iPhone , and
5. On the Zumo user screen, "Connect Headset", select the Sena SMH10

Then eventually the iPhone/Sena SMH Handsfree connection would be
replaced to iPhone/Zumo & Zumo /Sena connection but still the
iPhone/Sena Stereo Music connection is maintained.

However, in real world, we may have some Bluetooth reliability problem
so, while doing this, the Bluetooth connection between Zumo and iPhone
or Zumo and SENA could drop sometimes. The best way is to use separate
Bluetooth mobile phone and Bluetooth MP3 so that you can have secure
Bluetooth connections: Zumo/mobile phone by Handsfree, Zumo/Sena SMH10
by Handsfree, Bluetooth MP3/Sena SMH10 by A2DP (Bluetooth Stereo Music).

You can also use 3.5mm audio cable for iPhone/Sena SMH10 for the music,
but in this case you can Play/Pause at the iPhone only. Also for this, I
recommend to delete pairing history of iPhone/Sena SMH10. Because the
iPhone could possibly try to send audio stream through iPhone/Sena SMH10
Bluetooth Stereo Connection if it is already established. So, if you
already paired the iPhone to the Sena SMH10, please do the factory reset
of the SMH10 (refer to the page 16 of the SMH10 manual) to delete the
pairing history to the iPhone, also please delete SENA SMH10 on iPhone
Setting/General/Bluetooth/Devices.
Thanks


Bottom line with both connected, it drops the iPhone everytime. I can't even get iPhone to stay connected to bluetooth with it not paired to headset using the cable. If anyone has the two working successfully, I'd love to hear how!
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Old 04-30-2010, 04:35 AM   #78
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Thanks for the info Jim, I read similar on the review of the senna.
I wonder if the F4 has the same issues with Iphone and Zumo 550?
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Old 04-30-2010, 05:37 AM   #79
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Thanks for the info Jim, I read similar on the review of the senna.
I wonder if the F4 has the same issues with Iphone and Zumo 550?
The F4 has it's own issues with the iPhone (music doesn't resume after receiving a call) and that's one of the reasons I went with the Sena. There is more info in the F4 thread.
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Old 04-30-2010, 05:48 AM   #80
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I know it's early but has anyone paired to the new Verizon Imagine?
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Old 04-30-2010, 06:09 AM   #81
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Thanks for the info Jim, I read similar on the review of the senna.
I wonder if the F4 has the same issues with Iphone and Zumo 550?
Sounds like it's more an iPhone problem than an intercom problem no matter which you use. If Apple ever sets up the iphone to choose profiles we'll probably be all set. I thought the Sena was going to do it all, but it doesn't for me. Bumbed.
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Old 04-30-2010, 10:03 AM   #82
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Sounds like it's more an iPhone problem than an intercom problem no matter which you use. If Apple ever sets up the iphone to choose profiles we'll probably be all set. I thought the Sena was going to do it all, but it doesn't for me. Bumbed.
I'm sure this can be done and probably already has. But you'll need to jailbreak your Iphone in order to do it. Time to search....
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Old 04-30-2010, 10:05 AM   #83
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Do a FULL RESET (press phone button for 12 seconds) ... When we got ours, they were in the VOX mode. By default that was supposed to be off, but it wasn't. That may solve the issue..
The VOX mode has a 2 beep mode that goes every 8 seconds. This isn't the issue.
I contacted Sena and here's what they said.

"Thank you for using Sena products, SMH10.
I am sorry for your inconvenience.

We fixed low battery warning beep issue on second manufactured lot(version 1.2.0).
I would like you to contact our sales partner, which you have bought our device from and ask him to change it.

If you have additional questions or need any assistance, please feel free to contact me any time.
Thanks.

HJ Jeon
Sena Technologies, Inc.
Customer Support Engineer "

So, it does have something to do with the charge, though it's only on full charge, not low battery, that mine has an issue. After I use mine for ~1 hour, the 3 beeps go away.
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Old 04-30-2010, 11:03 AM   #84
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I'm sure this can be done and probably already has. But you'll need to jailbreak your Iphone in order to do it. Time to search....
Figure it out and let me know
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Old 04-30-2010, 04:12 PM   #85
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Zumo + iPhone + BT headsets

When I had my Zumo 550, iPhone 3G and the original Blueant Interphone headset. I could get it to work but it was not reliable (I'm a computer geek by trade). The garmin bluetooth profile compatiblity is weak but they have tried to solve the problems via firmware updates - so make sure you have the latest firmware running on your Zumo then delete all the BT profiles from both phone and zumo and start over fresh.

I found that everything work best by zumo on first then bt headset then iphone last. Experiment on the order of which BT device is powered on first, second, and last.

On another note I mentioned earlier that I got 2 Sena SMH10's for 270.00 at mrhit.com. I ordered them late Wednesday night and received them today via USPS (Arlington, TX to Dayton, OH) talk about fast shipping!
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Old 04-30-2010, 10:25 PM   #86
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When I had my Zumo 550, iPhone 3G and the original Blueant Interphone headset. I could get it to work but it was not reliable (I'm a computer geek by trade). The garmin bluetooth profile compatiblity is weak but they have tried to solve the problems via firmware updates - so make sure you have the latest firmware running on your Zumo then delete all the BT profiles from both phone and zumo and start over fresh.

I found that everything work best by zumo on first then bt headset then iphone last. Experiment on the order of which BT device is powered on first, second, and last.

On another note I mentioned earlier that I got 2 Sena SMH10's for 270.00 at mrhit.com. I ordered them late Wednesday night and received them today via USPS (Arlington, TX to Dayton, OH) talk about fast shipping!
Be interested to hear about your experience after pairing and using!
Do you intend to use an Iphone or Zumo with the senna?
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Be interested to hear about your experience after pairing and using!
Do you intend to use an Iphone or Zumo with the senna?

I am using the iPhone 3G and iPhone 3GS with my sena smh 10 set. I sold the Zumo 550 a long time ago because the routing even with the map updates is inferior to the Nuvi 550 (same waterproof specs as the zumo just doesn't have BT). I made a custom sound file for my Nuvi 550 that beeps when I need to make a turn (can hear it easily at highway speeds).

method 1 If you have the original Zumo like a 550 then pairing the iPhone to the Zumo then Zumo to Sena would be the best connection order. You will have to play around which on what bluetooth power up sequence works best. Because the Zumo 550 does NOT support stereo bluetooth (called A2DP by techies which means Advanced Audio Distribution
Profile) you will NOT have stereo sound via this method. Zumo bluetooth setting should be defined as navigation prompts & phone


method 2 If you connect a Zumo 550 to the the Sena and the iPhone to then Sena separately. Then you will have stereo bluetooth (A2DP) from iPhone to Sena but you wont have GPS nav until you switch to the GPS nav profile. If you do this setup you must disable the Zumo so bluetooth is navigation prompts only NOt navigation prompts & phone in bluetooth settings. If the Zumo 550 bluetooth settings are set for phone & navigation prompts it will cause a conflict in the Sena SMH10 (not the headset's fault).

Those with problems my suggestion is to reset the Sena SMH 10 per the directions in the manual. Delete all Bluetooth profiles from the zumo and iphone. Turn off all device and start over. These will clear any pre-existing bluetooth configs that may cause conflict with your new setup. Then choose which method above is to your liking.

One other thing is that it is a good idea to turn-off/disable your iPhone's wi-fi as it can interfere with bluetooth connections.


I hope that helps or is clear - I still haven't had my morning caffeine source tea, coffee, or soda.

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Sound quality isn't ear-bud good.

So does your smh 10 sound tinny or lacks bass? I've never had a system in my helmet for stereo music just mono intercom use.



Update:

The helmet I am using is an XL Scorpion EXO-700. The helmet has ear cut-outs with recessed areas in the foam that is a perfect fit for the sena speakers. Which is not a good location because the speaker sit too far behind your ears delivering tinny muted sound.




In relation to the picture above I moved the speakers forward 3/4" toward the facemask of the helmet where the speakers now rest at an angle due the shape of the molded foam (partially in the recess). Comfort is good and does not rub against my ears or face. Now they sound awesome - the minute placement adjustment of the speakers made a hugh difference in the sound. I enjoy listening to these over some midrange ($50-$60) earbuds.

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So does your smh 10 sound tinny or lacks bass? I've never had a system in my helmet for stereo music just mono intercom use.
It's a bit tinny at lower volume settings. With my earplugs in and the volume turned all the way up it sounds great. There are a lot of factors involved with this though, such as the distance from the speakers to your ears, etc.

My main reason for posting that statement was to set a realistic expectation for others. No doubt, so audiophile will try to compare the sound quality to a nice set of earbuds and come away disappointed.
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Old 05-03-2010, 11:21 AM   #90
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Sound is about placement

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It's a bit tinny at lower volume settings. With my earplugs in and the volume turned all the way up it sounds great. There are a lot of factors involved with this though, such as the distance from the speakers to your ears, etc.

My main reason for posting that statement was to set a realistic expectation for others. No doubt, so audiophile will try to compare the sound quality to a nice set of earbuds and come away disappointed.
Had the first chance to ride with the Sena system this weekend. They are a great improvement over earlier systems. The quality of the sound from the speakers is totally dependent on the placement (of course we all know that), but even minor changes to their position, as mentioned in Wingspan's post, makes a huge difference. I used a large amount of velcro on the helmet so I could move them around a lot, and it helps when trying to locate the "sweet spot."

A bit on the range of the devices. While riding in the Sierra Nevada foothills (Hwy 49 and Hwy 4), on some very twisted road, they seem to do quite well. We tested some different distances: When my wife was behind me a about 1/4 mile, comm was clear as a bell. On the open road, we got to about 1/2 mile, with clear comm. I think that they would go much further...I will check exact distances next ride.

This product is superior, IMO. And, once you get used to it, it is effortless and intuitive to operate.

I just wish I had seen the mrhit.com price before I jumped off the cliff with BMG ($399.00, plus tax, plus shipping...ouch!!!) - but, now I have a pair, and they work...so I guess it could be worse (like when I spent a butt-load of cash in 2005 on an Autocom system - we looked like the biggest idiots on the planet trying to ride with miles and miles of cables between us and the bikes...can't believe I fell for the Autocom hype!).
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