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Old 01-31-2015, 03:52 AM   #1
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Contigency plan when you run out of fuel

in the middle of the dunes...

I ran out of fuel ...

I learned that when fuel is down to the left shroud, it doesn't mean you have at least 50% of your tank left. It means, as I learned when fueling up at the gas station, that you have approx 0.5 gallons out of your 2.5 gallons left.

I needed to get some fuel out of my friend's tank.

Decided to use my hydration pack drink hose to suck out some fuel.

But because its so short, the fuel would reach my lips before I could re-direct it into my tank.

So then it occured to me to check if the hydration hose would fit onto the tank cap (where the vent hose is).

Very fortunately, it was a perfect fit.

We hooked it up to my friend's tank cap, directed it into my tank and let gravity do the transfer. Life saving trick!!!!

We first tried on a flat level, but his bike wasn't leaning over enough:




So we moved to a dune:



Tank to tank resuscitation.

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Old 01-31-2015, 04:51 AM   #2
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Where we ride, there is a lot of litter, usually we can find a old beer can or soda bottle. Unhook fuel line from carb on the donor bike and fill up the bottle. Dump the bottle in the empty tank.
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Old 01-31-2015, 05:38 AM   #3
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Where we ride, there is a lot of litter, usually we can find a old beer can or soda bottle. Unhook fuel line from carb on the donor bike and fill up the bottle. Dump the bottle in the empty tank.
Rarely any litter out in the deep desert where we ride. Remote area.

Speaking of fuel line.

Yesterday I wanted to drain medium grade fuel out of my tank.
I disconnected the fuel line (where the inline fuel filter is).
But the fuel didn't flow out.
So how do you get it out from the fuel line?
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Old 01-31-2015, 06:17 AM   #4
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Yesterday I wanted to drain medium grade fuel out of my tank.
I disconnected the fuel line (where the inline fuel filter is).
But the fuel didn't flow out.
So how do you get it out from the fuel line?
Im not familiar with KTMs but with an EFI bike in general if you have the fuel pump inside the tank I dont think you will be able to drain it directly from the fuel line (someone who knows your bike better will be able to confirm)

1: Syphon fuel out of tank through filler cap.
2: Remove tank and turn upside down
3: Have a look for a drain bolt on the tank in the vicinity of the fuel line.
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Old 01-31-2015, 07:09 AM   #5
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I keep a small water bottle in my pack that's collapsed down just for that purpose.

Good to know that you can transfuse your bike without though.
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Old 01-31-2015, 07:19 AM   #6
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Im not familiar with KTMs but with an EFI bike in general if you have the fuel pump inside the tank I dont think you will be able to drain it directly from the fuel line (someone who knows your bike better will be able to confirm)

1: Syphon fuel out of tank through filler cap.
2: Remove tank and turn upside down
3: Have a look for a drain bolt on the tank in the vicinity of the fuel line.
If i had a siphon, i wouldve been able to siphon. The suck the hose way of siphoning didnt work in my case. Too short. I got fuel in my mouth.

There is a drain bolt but that would mean a torrent of fuel...


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I keep a small water bottle in my pack that's collapsed down just for that purpose.

Good to know that you can transfuse your bike without though.
But how do you get fuel into the bottle?
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Old 01-31-2015, 07:31 AM   #7
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Top tip for siphoning. Get a rag and use it form a seal over the filler cap with the tube going through the middle. Now blow on the tube and use the increased air pressure in the tank to start the siphon.No more mouth full of petrol.
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Old 01-31-2015, 07:45 AM   #8
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...with an EFI bike in general if you have the fuel pump inside the tank I dont think you will be able to drain it directly from the fuel line.
^this.

There are a few exceptions but not many. For example on the bigger KTMs you can drain fuel from the cross-over line.

My contingency plan consists of an MSR fuel bottle. Having a friend that has an over-sized gas tank along for the ride is a plus just in case! :)

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Old 01-31-2015, 08:46 AM   #9
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There is a drain bolt but that would mean a torrent of fuel...

You would only get a torrent of fuel if you completely removed the bolt. Just as it is about to become completely unthreaded you will start getting a trickle of fuel, enough to fill a water bottle or whatever is handy. You will need to hold the bolt in place and be prepared to turn it back in quickly if the flow is too much. Put a rag down to cover bodywork from leaks. The exact same technique that you would use if you overfilled the sump on an oil change and wanted to lose maybe 100ml without dumping the entire sump (on a wet sump engine).

Youre lucky that KTM have designed the tank with a drain, not a common design feature.
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Old 01-31-2015, 09:01 AM   #10
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There is a drain bolt but that would mean a torrent of fuel...

You would only get a torrent of fuel if you completely removed the bolt. Just as it is about to become completely unthreaded you will start getting a trickle of fuel, enough to fill a water bottle or whatever is handy. You will need to hold the bolt in place and be prepared to turn it back in quickly if the flow is too much. Put a rag down to cover bodywork from leaks. The exact same technique that you would use if you overfilled the sump on an oil change and wanted to lose maybe 100ml without dumping the entire sump (on a wet sump engine).

Youre lucky that KTM have designed the tank with a drain, not a common design feature.

Oh. Thank you for the valuable info.

I guess I should start carrying tools with me now....
In my defense, my riding partner has tools on him all the time.
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Old 01-31-2015, 10:00 AM   #11
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Old 01-31-2015, 03:56 PM   #12
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Carry a 3'-4' piece of 1/4" hose (can be Tygon or rubber vacuum hose) on the bike.

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Old 02-01-2015, 03:54 PM   #13
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I would have just removed the tank from the donor bike.

This is my new solution for long rides in Death Valley. No more stashing gas and carrying in a Gatorade bottle.

6.6 gallons





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Old 02-01-2015, 04:17 PM   #14
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Old 02-02-2015, 08:12 AM   #15
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Clear tubing

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On my last trip I realized that if I didn't carry the tubing and someone stopped to offer me gas, or I offered to help someone else out, I would be out of luck. It stays permanently on the bike in my tool tube.

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