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Old 05-05-2014, 08:27 AM   #1516
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Old 05-05-2014, 03:23 PM   #1517
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Old 05-05-2014, 08:30 PM   #1518
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*I wonder as I type this, 'will anyone argue that trail-braking is not a thing outside of a track setting?' It wouldn't be my first time encountering such refutations.
I trail brake a lot, street pavement and any dirt I can find. Usually rear.
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Old 05-06-2014, 12:18 PM   #1519
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- Don't drop your bike on your first day of riding, right in front of your house. Y'know, hypothetically. I wouldn't know anything about that.

- Turn... your... head.

- Try not to sneeze inside your helmet.

- It's always colder than you think it is - layer up, or bring it with you.

- It's been said 10 trazillion times (that's, like, a lot): ATGATT!

- Learn how to do slow-speed U-turns (I still suck, but am improving).

- Learn how to brake properly (I locked up my rear a few weeks ago, because I didn't have enough front engaged).
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Old 05-06-2014, 01:50 PM   #1520
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My MSF class taught us to "NEVER use brakes when leaned over at speed. If a corner tightens up or you're going too fast, lean more."

I took away that braking in a turn = "automatic crash" instead of somewhere between "no big deal" and "saved my bacon."

Seriously - noob me probably would've slammed into an obstacle rather than brake. WTF they teach that, I have no idea.
I've entered a turn too fast and had to bleed off speed. I can only lean so far before parts start dragging the road. In those cases, I use the rear brake (judiciously, not stomp and lock them up). By rear braking only (sometimes called trail brake) I bleed off speed without changing the geometry (much) of the front end (therefore, no fork "bob").

I've only been riding 30 years so I might be doing something wrong.

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Old 05-06-2014, 01:52 PM   #1521
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- Learn how to do slow-speed U-turns (I still suck, but am improving).

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Have you watched Ride Like A Pro DVDs? They are pretty informative.
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Old 05-06-2014, 09:04 PM   #1522
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This thread compelled me to look up "trail braking." Enjoy:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_braking
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Old 05-08-2014, 01:03 PM   #1523
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My MSF class taught us to "NEVER use brakes when leaned over at speed. If a corner tightens up or you're going too fast, lean more."

I took away that braking in a turn = "automatic crash" instead of somewhere between "no big deal" and "saved my bacon."

Seriously - noob me probably would've slammed into an obstacle rather than brake. WTF they teach that, I have no idea.
For beginners not using the brakes while leaned over is good advice. We are talking about riders who can barely control the bike at low speed in most cases. Trying to get them to understand trail braking and to execute it correctly is asking WAY to much of new riders.
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Old 05-09-2014, 03:46 PM   #1524
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This 'lean vs brake' topic comes up a lot. Here's one way to think about it:
Tires only have a certain amount of traction for any given set of conditions. It can all be used for braking, or for cornering, or for some combination of the two.
If 100% of traction is being used for the current lean angle in a corner, the bike will have to be straightened up and slowed before being able to turn sharper.
MSF teaches to straighten up then brake, because new riders haven't learned to judge 'traction reserve'.
Gaining a feel for how much traction reserve is left is how a noob becomes a racer.
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Old 05-10-2014, 11:07 AM   #1525
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Six Secrets to Avoiding Left-turners

I got this in a news letter a few days ago and wanted to share the info here.

Six Secrets to Avoiding Left-turners
http://www.soundrider.com/current/14...t_Turners.aspx

It was written by By David L. Hough.

For those that do not know who he is, here is a quick bio…

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David L. Hough ("huff”) is a veteran motorcyclist and journalist, with more than a million miles of riding experience over 48 years. Dave was inducted into the AMA Hall of Fame in 2009 in recognition of his efforts toward improving motorcyclist skills and knowledge. He is the author of several highly respected skills books, including Proficient Motorcycling and The Good Rider.
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Enjoy and stay safe out there,

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Old 05-10-2014, 11:17 AM   #1526
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For some reason I can't quote Jon but that article he links makes a very good point about practicing emergency/aggressive braking. It's something I've slacked off in over the, well, last 20 years to be honest, and whilst my vigilance has improved I honestly don't know how quickly I could bring my beast to a halt. I'll be adding that to my rides from now on I think.
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Old 05-10-2014, 11:30 AM   #1527
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As well as practicing braking it's nice to go for a ride sometimes and try to reduce the amount of braking you do - only for junctions etc. not corners, makes for smoother riding.
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Old 05-10-2014, 11:48 AM   #1528
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that was an excellent article. the best part about it was that it focused on putting yourself in a position to ensure your own safety.

imho, too many riders focus on trying to get drivers to see them and trying to influence what drivers do. it's obviously not bad to be more visible, but you don't actually have any control over what other people perceive or do. you do have control over what you do, though.

better to focus on giving yourself an escape route, room to swerve, room to brake, not being in a bad spot at a bad time, etc. and ride a nimble bike and practice exploiting that nimbleness.
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Old 05-10-2014, 12:17 PM   #1529
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that was an excellent article. the best part about it was that it focused on putting yourself in a position to ensure your own safety.

imho, too many riders focus on trying to get drivers to see them and trying to influence what drivers do. it's obviously not bad to be more visible, but you don't actually have any control over what other people perceive or do. you do have control over what you do, though.

better to focus on giving yourself an escape route, room to swerve, room to brake, not being in a bad spot at a bad time, etc. and ride a nimble bike and practice exploiting that nimbleness.
+1 - I firmly believe that hi-viz gear is often worn to the detriment of the rider - it makes them feel more visible and that they can relax more than they otherwise would. It'd probably make me feel the same way tbh. I'm not a fan. I ride as if I'm invisible and I make every effort to make other road users aware of my existence and, if I'm unsure that they know I'm there, I plan accordingly.

Anyway, back to noob tips - 20+ years ago, in a land far far away, when I was learning ago my instructor demonstrated to the class how a bike's basic traction worked by first standing the bike vertical and having us eyeball the contact patch and then leaning it over and having us repeat the same exercise. There wasn't a visible difference and it gave a degree of reassurance to those of us who'd never ridden before. It's a surprisingly simple way to install confidence in the newbie. (bear in mind this is at the walk around the bike stage whilst holding it upright).
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Old 05-11-2014, 12:47 PM   #1530
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For some reason I can't quote Jon but that article he links makes a very good point about practicing emergency/aggressive braking. It's something I've slacked off in over the, well, last 20 years to be honest, and whilst my vigilance has improved I honestly don't know how quickly I could bring my beast to a halt. I'll be adding that to my rides from now on I think.
I'm just as guilty about practicing emergency/aggressive braking. When I get a bike one of the first things I do is take it to an empty parking lot and get use to how it handles, including the brakes. But then I have a tendency to forget to do it on a regular basis.

So my tip is….

At the very least, once a year a rider (beginner or veteran) should take their bike to someplace safe, like a empty parking lot, and practice all the basic avoidance maneuvers including emergency/aggressive braking.

Where I live I will do those things at the beginning of the riding season after not riding my bike during the winter.

It's also a good time to practice riding as slow as you can to build your "slow speed" skills so you don't drop your bike in a parking lot in front of your friends

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