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Old 06-19-2014, 09:19 AM   #1561
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I'm with the exorcist head guy...

I failed my first bike test because the examiner (following me on his bike) didn't see my head turning enough. Take 2 and I crashed on the morning of the test and ripped the mirrors off Having no mirrors forced me to keep my head on rotation and I passed with ease. Mirrors are a supplement, not a replacement, for a proper look around.


And the exception to the 6:00 (What's on your 6) rule is in your right wrist Still, do NOT rely on that tho.

Since I've been riding, knock on wood, 5~10 over plus BOLO for stationary pork bellies, I never even see cops! Even in this police-state, and it is nothing short. If you say "TN is not a police state", you don't ride here.

They are part of that 5~10mph behind me and I've NEVER gotten in my life a ticket from a cop coming from behind me.

On the trace, so far as I know the locals (Never seen a Fed) don't even look twice at me when I roll-off from 5~10 over.

I am on a dirtbikie tho.


I think some cops get it and want/will allow a slight fracture of "the law"
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Old 06-25-2014, 05:57 AM   #1562
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Make eye contact with other drivers/riders, but even then don't assume they see you.
People will seem to look right at you as they pull out right in front of you. They don't 'see' you. That's what they tell the officer at the accident scene while EMS loads your carcass into the meat wagon. They look right through you. While I certainly look to see if they are looking, I watch their tires. If they are rolling, I assume the driver has no intentions of stopping. If they begin to roll from a stop, I assume they are coming out. On cars waiting to turn left in front of me, if the driver begins to turn the wheel, I start looking for a way out while braking.
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Old 06-25-2014, 08:36 PM   #1563
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Braking

Do practice emergency braking in a high school parking lot on a Saturday morning.

Don't practice emergency braking in a high school parking lot on a Saturday morning going towards a brick wall.
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Old 06-26-2014, 06:30 AM   #1564
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I got this in a news letter a few days ago and wanted to share the info here.

Six Secrets to Avoiding Left-turners
http://www.soundrider.com/current/14...t_Turners.aspx
Problem I have with his six is that I think he misses the most important.

Following distance. When you are following a car closely you are effective hidden behind the car and totally invisible to the car waiting to turn left. The car turning left makes an initial decision as to when they turn e.g after the car in front of you passes. Once that decision is made the driver is largely committed to that action. The car passes and he turns all largely on autopilot, and guess what.... there's the unseen motorcycle and to late to do anything about it.

If you are travelling in sparse traffic and there is a risk that someone could turn across in front of you, maintain a considerable following distance to the car in front so that you are clearly visible to any car wanting to turn. The larger the vehicle in front of you (more hiding potential), the greater the distance you should maintain.

There was a really good web site (German I think it was) that I found a few years back where the above point was exceptional well demonstrated. Never been able to find it again. Basically it demonstrates why a 2 or 3 second rule applicable to cars may be totally inappropriate for a motorcycles.
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Old 06-26-2014, 04:27 PM   #1565
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Agreed, but it's a good indicator. Just last week I had someone who looked at me from a side street on my left that I was turning onto. Headlight on, Ducati with loud exhaust, turn signal the works But she still pulled about halfway out into the road. I saw her start rolling so I was ready so I wasn't in danger but I like to make people think. I stopped in the road and made her go first to let her know that I didn't trust her enough to go around after she stopped. Hopefully she'll do a better job next time.
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Old 06-26-2014, 04:53 PM   #1566
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Agreed, but it's a good indicator.
But the point is it isn't. The 2 or 3 second rule is based solely on maintaining an appropriate braking distance to the vehicle in front. It's got nothing to do with a small object (motorcycle) being far enough back behind a big object (truck) that someone well ahead and in line can see the small object behind the large one. A two second gap will put the turning car and unseen motorcycle in exactly the same place, BANG!
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Old 06-26-2014, 04:57 PM   #1567
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Agreed, sorry I was actually respondi g to the post above yours but the quote didn't take I guess. Lol

I never follow colsely unless I'm about to pass. And I pay lot of attention to side streets and left turners up ahead of who I'm behind so I can get in a lane position to make myslef most visible to them.
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Old 06-26-2014, 11:30 PM   #1568
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But the point is it isn't. The 2 or 3 second rule is based solely on maintaining an appropriate braking distance to the vehicle in front. It's got nothing to do with a small object (motorcycle) being far enough back behind a big object (truck) that someone well ahead and in line can see the small object behind the large one. A two second gap will put the turning car and unseen motorcycle in exactly the same place, BANG!
The duck thread is an excellent example of what can happen when you're not looking more than one car ahead of you..

It's something my dad would always bug me about when he was teaching me - he'd be forever asking me about the colour of the car in front of the car in front -

So a huge + 1 on keeping a sensible/appropriate braking distance betwixt you and the car in front of you but look further ahead than that - watch out for brake lights appearing, or strange traffic patterns.
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Old 06-27-2014, 05:47 AM   #1569
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It's something my dad would always bug me about when he was teaching me - he'd be forever asking me about the colour of the car in front of the car in front -
I like that very much. I wish I had thought of that when my sons were learning to drive.
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Old 06-27-2014, 06:22 AM   #1570
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NEVER Make eye contact with other drivers/riders, It only serves to make you think that they see you when they are looking your direction.
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Old 06-27-2014, 06:14 PM   #1571
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I thought I was doing pretty good until a couple days ago.

Got off work, went home, showered. Then I decided to run up to the walgreens literally right around the corner to get something to eat. I refuse to trade my bike for a car, so helmet goes on, grab my jacket and pants, but I just decide to rock the sandals.

Now, thanks to the beautiful forward facing curve of the exhaust pipes, along with my stupidity, I have a nasty burn on my right heel, and there was a weird circle on the chrome heat shield.

Moral of the story, just because others ride in florida in flip-flops, doesn't mean you can get away with it. BOOTS ALWAYS!
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Old 06-27-2014, 07:27 PM   #1572
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doing wheelies all the time saves front tires, but runs through rears...
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Old 06-30-2014, 11:12 PM   #1573
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After reading through a few dozen pages in this thread I'm left wondering; what are you guys actually taught in driving lessons?! Just about every single advice in here was already mentioned by my instructors. Just to name a few:

- Countersteering
- 2 second distance
- slow in, fast out
- look through corners, you bike goes to where you look. (So don't panic and look at the curb you're about to hit, because then you will hit it.)
- always keep power on the rear wheel, especially in corners
- cages do not see you
- use big vehicles as "shields" against other traffic (but watch at for them as well, they don't see you)
- Emergency braking and manoeuvring
- Always be able to stop within the distance that you can see and is clear.
- Be extra careful around gas stations, corners and roundabouts there will often have "extra" gas/oil on the road.
- Always ride with your lights on
- Use both brakes, and be aware that most braking power will come from your front wheel
- Manhole covers can be slippery
- Do a "lifesaver" check if you deviate from your current line. (That is, is you change lanes, make a turn, or overtake, check that dead spot your mirrors can't see, about 6 feet behind you and to the side you are turning towards)
- If you are going to change speed (both braking AND speeding up) check your mirrors first.

.... and greet other riders, even if they don't greet back.

But quite seriously, what DO you guys get taught, if the above stuff is not handled in driving lessons? Here in The Netherlands we actually have three tests we need to take: "Theory" (that is, highway code, rules, some basics about motorcycle technology), "Vehicle control" (emergency braking, slalom, parking, emergency manoeuvres, slow riding) and finally "Road riding" (Show that you can skillfully and sensibly can take part in traffic, for half an hour, you drive round town and the highway with a exterminator riding behind you telling you where to go via in-ear radio, and observing your every move.)

After you passed, you have the basics down, but then the learning really starts, obviously. All in, it is no unusual to need about 20 hours of driving lessons, or even more if you don't already have your car licence.
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Old 07-01-2014, 04:38 AM   #1574
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But quite seriously, what DO you guys get taught, if the above stuff is not handled in driving lessons? Here in The Netherlands we actually have three tests we need to take: "Theory" (that is, highway code, rules, some basics about motorcycle technology), "Vehicle control" (emergency braking, slalom, parking, emergency manoeuvres, slow riding) and finally "Road riding" (Show that you can skillfully and sensibly can take part in traffic, for half an hour, you drive round town and the highway with a exterminator riding behind you telling you where to go via in-ear radio, and observing your every move.) ...............


Taught HA! In NY State if you don't crash during your road test, you are licensed to ride any street legal moto you want. In fact you don't even need a license to go buy a 175 hp sport bike. And I am being serious! NO evasive maneuvers, NO braking demonstration, NO Nothing. You basically drive around a couple city blocks with the inspector riding in a car behind, make 3 circles to the right and 3 to the left and 2 figure 8's in the middle of a wide street, and you pass.

Scarey part, pretty much the same for your car license, what kids fear most is failing due to their poor parallel parking skills, and again I am serious!

Really sad, IMHO. AND scarey for everyone else.
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Old 07-02-2014, 02:31 AM   #1575
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I'm always amazed at riders who want to make "eye contact" with other motorists. My corrected vision is still 20/20 but between my face shield and their windshield, doubt I could even see their eyes and be able to do anything (swerve, brake) if I was going more than 20 mph. And, as frequently pointed out, the fact that somebody's eyeballs are pointed in your direction DOES NOT mean they have seen you and are giving you the right away.

Tire position and rotation are much better clues of what is about to happen.
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