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Old 04-13-2011, 10:49 PM   #781
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Fallow this link to see all three versions of the tire.

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...6&postcount=37

One of those pairs are the tires I put on late November.....and I'm just shy of 6,000miles on that set.


BTW, if your in California, the San Fran area, you can buy these direct from the distributor.....Moto Amore 408-295-3004.
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Old 04-13-2011, 11:35 PM   #782
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Not when those two Kendas wear out faster than the one K60.
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Keep in mind the new 150 is a different compound, so as of now it's anybody's guess how this one will hold up.
+1 Who knows with the new 150 Scout compound. We'll have to wait and see.

And Woodworks, at that price I'd take two Big Blocks over one 150 K60 any day. Better times ten in the dirt and gravel and just as good on the road.
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Old 04-14-2011, 12:43 AM   #783
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Hey,

Long time reader. My first post. Got my Heidenau 140/80 17 couple weeks ago and last weekend I had time to change the tyre. Tyre cost me 140 with shipping from Germany. I ordered it from www.mynetmoto.com. First time I bought something from there. I was happy with the service.

There are some pictures in my picasa gallery and I'll post more pictures and thoughts when I get more miles on that tyre.

https://picasaweb.google.com/tikkanen.henri/F800gs#

(Front tyre is some Kenda 2.75 that I got for about 30 so it does not matter if it wears out fast. I can always replace it.)
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Old 04-14-2011, 06:35 AM   #784
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...and just as good on the road.
I'm curious, Griz. Is there oxygen on your planet?
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Old 04-14-2011, 07:12 AM   #785
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...and so they will.

My Shinko 244 front cost $32 to the door. That's cheap. And it's good. Many DR 650 riders swear by the 244 front and rear tires (which both average around 6K miles per tire) and so do the KLR 650 peeps. On the first ride I found the 244 to be far superior a tire both on and off-road to the K60 Scout front.

On road it was softer and gripped better than the Scout front.

Off road (on the trail not on a dirt road) in the sand (cause we have an A**load of it out here in the coastal plain) and hitting the gas to bring the front up through a waterhole when it came down into the soft wet sand on the otherside, it gripped like an ice skate. The Heidi front woulda thrown me off for sure right there. Coming into soft sand in the turns it would push through the sand rather than slide out. Thumbs up to a front that keeps me upright when the ground moves under it.

As far as mileage comparisons, I'm expecting about 6,000 out of the Shinko front which is just about exactly what I got out of the Heidi front.

I'll let you know about rears once I try the Kenda ($99 shipped to my door) and a Vee Rubber 140 that I'm looking into.

So what are the shipping costs on those $175 dollar Heidi tires anyway? Have we hit $200 total yet? And what about mounting? You all going to mount those thick carcasses by hand or take em to the BMW dealer and add another $45 to the total cost?

Let's see -> 6 to 7 thousand miles out of 2 Kendas or 6 to 7 thousand miles out of one Heidi. Doing the math the Kenda still seems cheaper and an all around better choice to me, especially knowing how bad Heidis begin handling on the road and in the dirt as the tread disappears.

I love a good debate and I'm eagerly awaiting the first report on a full tread to no tread run with the 150.
I see these having the potential to be a good touring tire with good longevity and 1/2 way decent off road capabilities. Sure they're expensive. How about props for being early adopters rather than trying to make people feel foolish? Someone's got to be first to try them and report back. Right?

Personally. I don't give a rats ass what they cost. And yes I will spoon them on myself. Not because I need to save a few bucks for mounting, or that I want to prevent breaking a nail. But because thats what inmates do.
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Old 04-14-2011, 08:20 AM   #786
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CDT on K60s

I'll throw my .02 in on here as I think I have somewhat of a unique test trial with the K60s from last summer.

Group of 4 of us when down the Cont. Divide Trail. 4 different bikes all spooned with the k60s in the week before the trip.

4 Bikes:
05 KTM 990 (150/70 18)
08 KLR(130/80 17)
09 BMW F800 (140/80 17)
04 KLR (130/80 17)

Each bike of course had a slightly different size (2 klr's and BMW ran same front. different size rears)

Pros - Tires handled really when on CDT. specially with the mix of gravel/mud and highway. I would put them back on my BMW in a second but I won't need to make that decision soon as they still have another 5000 left in them after CDT and trip back (right now about 4000 on them).

Cons - My God did the KLRs and KTM toast there rears. The KLR's more so then the KTM. I got my tires in on the same shipment as one of the KLR guys and you could see a noticeable different on lug depth on the 130 vs. 140 but nothing overly concerning.

We made it around 2500 miles before one KLR had to change the rear as it was getting dangerously bald (in Gunnison, CO). I have some photos for comparison. I didn't do as good of a job as I would have liked showing the wear on these but might get the point.

08 KLR rear in Colorado




04 KLR




BMW F800





Sorry didn't get the KTM but it's wear was in between the KLR's and the BMW...

So my final thoughts on K60s:

I'd be interested to see if the KLR's had ran the exact same tire as the F800 instead of the 130s but the wear difference in the two was substantial. Of course there were other variables like tire pressure, total load etc but these were ran over the exact same terrain on different bikes to vastly different results.

I'd buy them in a heartbeat again for the F800. If putting them on a KLR i'd run the 140. All this may be a moot point since the compound changed..
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Old 04-14-2011, 08:24 AM   #787
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Might the wear differences be caused by rider technique more than brand of motorcycle? Acceleration, braking, weight, etc.

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Old 04-14-2011, 09:13 AM   #788
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I'm sure rider and load both made a difference. The 08 KLR was the worst off tire wise and probably was weighed down the most of the group.

I don't think that is substantial though as the KLRs tore through the 130 in 2500 miles. The two bikes most prone to hooligan activities (My F800 and the KTM) were the ones with the least wear. It's work to flog on a KLR :) Not so much the other two..

The two most careful riders of the group were the ones whose tires went to shit...

I'm still operating under the theory it's the 130 size that did them in as that tire was noticeable less tread depth than the 140. Brand new i'd estimate it at around 25% less tread depth.
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Old 04-14-2011, 09:44 AM   #789
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I see these having the potential to be a good touring tire with good longevity and 1/2 way decent off road capabilities. Sure they're expensive. How about props for being early adopters rather than trying to make people feel foolish? Someone's got to be first to try them and report back. Right?

Personally. I don't give a rats ass what they cost. And yes I will spoon them on myself. Not because I need to save a few bucks for mounting, or that I want to prevent breaking a nail. But because thats what inmates do.
Well said Dig. Yes they are overpriced, but I use the bike for commuting during the week and looking forward trying a new tire that may hold up on pavement and still provide some traction for some weekend dirt. Not sure the new K60 will be the answer, but it is worth a shot as no other tire has covered the 50/50 niche. Only option I have left is to spring for another set of rims or set up a second bike
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Old 04-14-2011, 01:50 PM   #790
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Noted.

The Shinko tires I tried were very unstable on pavement and started coming apart. Didn't work for me. They were alright off road, but cut up fairly easily.
Heard mixed reviews on em but figured I'd try em anyway. From what I've read Shinko changes up compound mixtures so it's touch and go with them. They feel better with the K60 rear than the K60 front did. Could be a product of wear and tear, who knows.

Gonna ride the shinko hard and long over some nasty terrain (two different swampy gamelands) this weekend for between 300 and 400 miles. If the Shinko chunks out, experiment over and nothing lost except the 20 minutes it took to mount it.
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Old 04-14-2011, 01:56 PM   #791
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Hey,

Long time reader. My first post. Got my Heidenau 140/80 17 couple weeks ago and last weekend I had time to change the tyre. Tyre cost me 140 with shipping from Germany. I ordered it from www.mynetmoto.com. First time I bought something from there. I was happy with the service.

There are some pictures in my picasa gallery and I'll post more pictures and thoughts when I get more miles on that tyre.

https://picasaweb.google.com/tikkanen.henri/F800gs#

(Front tyre is some Kenda 2.75 that I got for about 30 so it does not matter if it wears out fast. I can always replace it.)
Glad you got a good price. Mynetmoto doesn't ship to the USA. At least I wasn't successful when I tried.

Funny -> that's the same Kenda I'm using. Went with a 2.75 b/c there seems to be some consensus that Kenda fronts run a bit wide.
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Old 04-14-2011, 02:01 PM   #792
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I see these having the potential to be a good touring tire with good longevity and 1/2 way decent off road capabilities. Sure they're expensive. How about props for being early adopters rather than trying to make people feel foolish? Someone's got to be first to try them and report back. Right?
How about Heidi make the price reasonable - it's still an untested tire? If it's a good tire Heidi will make up engineering costs by increased sales. No need to the people who are going to be your word of mouth advertising (that is unless Heidi intends to raise the price even more when the next shipment comes through). It's market seeding 101.

My 140 scouts were purchased for $120 (and that was going rate in retail at the time). I still have a 140 left to mount.
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I can't think of any good reason why 150's are that expensive over here (or 140s that are now selling at almost the same price as the 150).

It's up to Heidi, as a manufacturer, to work with it's vendors. If, as I've heard some vendors comment, it's really expensive for them to get them into the states, Heidi should be helping out with that. But I'm also watching some vendors blatantly price jacking on their websites and trying to rip off the ADV community members who assume, wrongly, that the tire should be priced that high. I just found one vendor that wants $210 for a 150. They keep raising the prices because they know we won't stop paying no matter how much money they make on us.

It's a racket. TKC did it. Tourance did it. Now K60 Scout is doing it. And we still keep paying, even with the practical innumerable host of really good quality and inexpensive dirt and street tires out there that normally flies under the radar.

The K60 is an alright tire for commuting but who pays that kind of money for a tire they are going to wear out driving to work every day? (unless you have some really fun roads to drive on the way)

BMW says "buy this" so we do without thinking about whether we should. I want to know why we keep thinking we need to be held hostage to the marketing?

Just opt out and find a better tire at a more reasonable price. Rant off.
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Old 04-14-2011, 03:07 PM   #794
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mefo tires are up there in price too
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Old 04-14-2011, 04:04 PM   #795
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BMW says "buy this" so we do without thinking about whether we should. I want to know why we keep thinking we need to be held hostage to the marketing?
Where did you see BMW recommend the K60? The only reason I found out about them is because some South African inmate posted a report about them 2 years ago in Beasts. They weren't even available here at the time. So if BMW is now telling us to buy them, it sure has passed under my radar.

I use them because they meet my needs, pure and simple. Yeah, I could buy cheaper tires, but why would I want to? They don't work as well for the kind of riding I like to do. And I don't feel the need to post in the Kenda or Shinko threads, pissing all over those who choose to buy them, telling them that they're not thinking about whether they should. I couldn't care less what other people choose to mount on their bikes.

Maybe you should consider the fact that those of us who like the K60s have some experience with them, and HAVE given it some thought. And then you go mount whatever floats your boat.
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