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Old 04-20-2010, 04:19 PM   #16
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It's in Denver, so I'll go pick it up in the morning.
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Old 04-20-2010, 04:40 PM   #17
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Old 04-20-2010, 09:56 PM   #18
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Great news,

I hope it arrives well.
Please post pictures of the Swing mounting assembly and frame.

I emailed Kalich, but they want me to bring the F650 in to their shop to fit the swing mount. From Oregon to Germany is a bit much.

OH WELL,,,,,

Back to planning and schemeing
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Old 04-21-2010, 12:36 AM   #19
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Great news,

I hope it arrives well.
Please post pictures of the Swing mounting assembly and frame.

I emailed Kalich, but they want me to bring the F650 in to their shop to fit the swing mount. From Oregon to Germany is a bit much.

OH WELL,,,,,

Back to planning and schemeing
How do you suppose he is to design the subframe that holds the leaner attachment/pivots on the bike other than to have the bike or a bike of the same model in his workshop?

He needs somewhere to start from. For the BMW R1200 and R1150/1100 he has measurements and even bikes to start off from, but for others he needs the bike or the same model in his workshop for a period of time.
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Old 04-21-2010, 11:58 AM   #20
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Got it!

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Old 04-21-2010, 03:26 PM   #21
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Old 04-23-2010, 09:50 AM   #22
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Mac,

Please try and publish photos of your Swing in the as received condition showing all the pieces.
I am considering the purchase of a Swing from Kalich. However, it is a leap of faith to buy a unseen sidecar from an unseen dealer in a far away country.
I have an old but good 1998 BMW F650, the Swing subframe would be a custom build for that bike, If Ralph can find a simular bike to use as a model. Unfortunatly the Swing sidecar will only fit that bike as the mounting points vary from a BMW 1100 or 1200 bike.
When did your Euro rate fix and how did you make payment?

Thanks for any help
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Old 04-23-2010, 11:58 AM   #23
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WHD,

I've taken the paintable parts to my painter. It'll be about 2-3 weeks before I get them back. I'll get some pictures posted of the remaining parts in the next few days, as I get around to it.

About your installation, let me offer some thoughts. There may be a reason that even though Ralph Kalich builds lots of these leaner sidecars, that he hasn't built any (according to you) for an older F650. You should really consider why you want to spend $9-10k for a sidecar, to put on a low power bike worth maybe $2k. If you can afford $10k (painted) for a sidecar, you might as well put it on a worthy bike. Please take no offense, but sometimes frank talk is needed.
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Old 04-23-2010, 05:50 PM   #24
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That said, there are certainly some Kalich sidecars connected to a 650. Here is one from his site.

http://kalich.de/html/bmw-schwenker_4.html

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Old 04-23-2010, 06:10 PM   #25
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Proof it made it to the states, after waiting for the the Iceland volcano to settle down, just loaded up from Lufthansa Air Cargo in Denver.

German car, trailer, and sidecar. Hmm...

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Old 04-23-2010, 10:38 PM   #26
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Mac,

There is also a Dakar further down in the gallery. All have the same Rotax/BMW 650 engine. Both are later models of my F650.

As a note a Ural has 40hp and 740lbs, F650 has 48hp and would be at least 100lbs lighter. Should be OK up to 60, after that "not so much".
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Old 04-24-2010, 01:48 AM   #27
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Mac,

There is also a Dakar further down in the gallery. All have the same Rotax/BMW 650 engine. Both are later models of my F650.

As a note a Ural has 40hp and 740lbs, F650 has 48hp and would be at least 100lbs lighter. Should be OK up to 60, after that "not so much".
Oh, stuff & nonsense - don't let the nay-sayers distort you - Katherine's bone-stock 1999 F650 'classic' neatly hauls a full-sized Ural sidecar to 75MPH with porky me and a 200Lb engine in the hack. It will go a bit faster with the sidecar windshield folded down - but it rapidly runs out of RPM's above 80 since we're running a 14 tooth front sprocket.

The Kalich should be 75Lbs lighter, and a LOT more slippery than the Ural, which is only slightly more aerodynamic than my mother-in-law.

You might want to give Jim at Raceway Services in Salem a call - aside from the Ural business, they're pretty creative riggers, as are the Dauntless folks up here. If Kalich has a sub-frame for an Aprillia Pegaso either shop should be able to adapt it to your bike. The later F650's have a very different frame and pickup points.

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Old 04-24-2010, 06:54 PM   #28
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WHD,

I've taken the paintable parts to my painter. It'll be about 2-3 weeks before I get them back. I'll get some pictures posted of the remaining parts in the next few days, as I get around to it.

About your installation, let me offer some thoughts. There may be a reason that even though Ralph Kalich builds lots of these leaner sidecars, that he hasn't built any (according to you) for an older F650. You should really consider why you want to spend $9-10k for a sidecar, to put on a low power bike worth maybe $2k. If you can afford $10k (painted) for a sidecar, you might as well put it on a worthy bike. Please take no offense, but sometimes frank talk is needed.
very good points there, would be wise to carefully consider that...

Ralph has done leaner sidecars for the newer version of the 650 BMW thumper

whether 48 horsepower is sufficient is a personal thing, but such an considerable investment, that can't be simply transferred to another bike, should be only done to a bike that one can drive for a lot more years to come....imho

I was thinking myself of a Voxan, but the questionable future of that manufacturer (and hence the questionable spare part availability) stopped me from doing that....
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Old 04-24-2010, 06:56 PM   #29
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Matt,

I look forward to the progress.
Nice car, but with the speed limits in the US you really should give it to me ;)

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Old 04-25-2010, 07:23 PM   #30
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I'll keep that offer in mind, Jens. Just don't hold your breath...

So, here is a teaser pic. This is the frame, with the subframe connected on the left, sitting on the crate lid. Total frame/subframe weight is 77 lb together. The wheel and mounted tire (not shown) weighs 18 lb. without the tub, we're still under 100lbs. Not bad.



Although there is a little parallax in this picture, the centerline of the subframe is lined up on the left side of the wood below, and the spindle on the right is perpendicular. So, you can see that the frame is swept to the rear slightly.

As expected, quality of all components is outstanding.

I'll be visiting my painter in the next few days to settle on a paint scheme. Hopefully he has started prep work, since I dropped off the paintable parts last week. At first, he told me it would be 6-8 weeks, but after a little grease ($) was offered, my place in line suddenly changed from last to first. More info on the painter later.
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