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Old 04-15-2010, 12:13 AM   #16
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We are ALL getting older...

I'll change my advise to the lightest, electric start motorcycle that you can bring...

You will learn something, no matter what you ride.
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Old 04-15-2010, 02:00 AM   #17
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This may have nothing to do with what you're talking about but maybe you guys can help me. I have an ex-military Humvee and a Baja bug both with standard transmissions. I want to start off-roading the Humvee but have never driven a stick shift car nor have I ever been off-roading. Which car do you suggest I learn these skills in?
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Old 04-15-2010, 02:39 AM   #18
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This may have nothing to do with what you're talking about but maybe you guys can help me. I have an ex-military Humvee and a Baja bug both with standard transmissions. I want to start off-roading the Humvee but have never driven a stick shift car nor have I ever been off-roading. Which car do you suggest I learn these skills in?
The Baja bug will be the cheaper of the two to lean on. Clutch is easier to get at too.
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Old 04-15-2010, 04:08 AM   #19
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Old 04-15-2010, 06:10 AM   #20
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There are also some very good classes for 4x4 stuff as well. Example
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Old 04-15-2010, 08:36 AM   #21
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Take the bike you would for adventure riding most of the time or that you want to become more skilled with. Unless you've never ridden that particular motorcycle before, JL kind of tailors his teaching, tips and drills to the bike your on anyway. And don't worry about electric start or not. If you get tired of kicking your crank bike, Heather will come over and get it started for you!! F#*kers, don't ask me how I know!!
ron, that's simiilar to what i was thinking (more like jl doing it)....




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We are ALL getting older...

I'll change my advise to the lightest, electric start motorcycle that you can bring...

You will learn something, no matter what you ride.


it will be prikin hilarious if i show up on my tw200 and park it next to a gsa1200!

certainly an electric start bike is what i would have.
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Old 04-15-2010, 08:56 AM   #22
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I really want to take this class but it is the weekend before my finals, and I need to study for two exams on the following Monday. Guess I'll have to wait for another class.

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This may have nothing to do with what you're talking about but maybe you guys can help me. I have an ex-military Humvee and a Baja bug both with standard transmissions. I want to start off-roading the Humvee but have never driven a stick shift car nor have I ever been off-roading. Which car do you suggest I learn these skills in?
The Baja bug will be easier to pick up when you drop it and easier for Jimmy to lift up the rear wheel. Bring that unless it is a kick start
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Old 04-15-2010, 10:06 AM   #23
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The Baja bug will be easier to pick up when you drop it and easier for Jimmy to lift up the rear wheel. Bring that unless it is a kick start
Jimmy's still in great shape. He holds the vehicle at it's fulcrum point, so he probably won't have much trouble with the Humvee.



OK guys. Thank you. As usual, everyone was extremely helpful answering my question and as usual airborndad went beyond the call of duty. (He must be paying for something bad he did once). The thing is, I was kind of being feces shits. (Or is it facetious)

My example was meant as an analogy. I have neither of those vehicles. Everyone got the correct answer, however. THE BAJA BUG would be better to learn how to drive stick in as well as how to off-road in. Anything you learn in the Baja bug certainly will translate to the Humvee. In the process however: The clutch and stick will no doubt be easier to learn with. If you crash it, it will be cheaper to fix. If it ends up in a ditch, it won't require a helicopter to get it out. It's smaller and more manoeuvrable, making learning everything easier and less stressful, not to mention more fun.

Those who responded seemed to agree that the smaller, cheaper, simpler, more manoeuvrable vehicle would be better. AND, like I said before, anything you learn in one will translate to the other. So now think of my imaginary Humvee as your big BMW or KTM and think of my imaginary Baja bug as a much smaller, lighter, more manoeuvrable and cheaper bike. I'm going to go on record and say, you will be better off with the smaller.

Jimmy's class is about learning and internalizing fundamental techniques that are the same on any bike at any level. Learn on whatever you think you can get the most out of the class on. Use what you've learned on any bike you ride.

Thanks again, and I hope to see some of you at the class. I will be on my ONLY dirt bike.
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Old 04-15-2010, 10:33 AM   #24
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Jimmy's class is about learning and internalizing fundamental techniques that are the same on any bike at any level. Learn on whatever you think you can get the most out of the class on. Use what you've learned on any bike you ride.
Exactly.

That said, if all you have is a big bike, you will still get a hell of a lot out of the class.
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Old 04-15-2010, 10:53 AM   #25
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i assume there will be some hill climbs, klammer suggested 14/48 or 14/50.


i'm used to having 15/42 and 15/45, having a lower set up would be nice to have, but it means i'm $60 down in the hole deeper....

thinking of 14/45 or 13/45 if that will suffice.
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Old 04-15-2010, 10:53 AM   #26
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Jimmy's still in great shape. He holds the vehicle at it's fulcrum point, so he probably won't have much trouble with the Humvee.



OK guys. Thank you. As usual, everyone was extremely helpful answering my question and as usual airborndad went beyond the call of duty. (He must be paying for something bad he did once). The thing is, I was kind of being feces shits. (Or is it facetious)

My example was meant as an analogy. I have neither of those vehicles. Everyone got the correct answer, however. THE BAJA BUG would be better to learn how to drive stick in as well as how to off-road in. Anything you learn in the Baja bug certainly will translate to the Humvee. In the process however: The clutch and stick will no doubt be easier to learn with. If you crash it, it will be cheaper to fix. If it ends up in a ditch, it won't require a helicopter to get it out. It's smaller and more manoeuvrable, making learning everything easier and less stressful, not to mention more fun.

Those who responded seemed to agree that the smaller, cheaper, simpler, more manoeuvrable vehicle would be better. AND, like I said before, anything you learn in one will translate to the other. So now think of my imaginary Humvee as your big BMW or KTM and think of my imaginary Baja bug as a much smaller, lighter, more manoeuvrable and cheaper bike. I'm going to go on record and say, you will be better off with the smaller.

Jimmy's class is about learning and internalizing fundamental techniques that are the same on any bike at any level. Learn on whatever you think you can get the most out of the class on. Use what you've learned on any bike you ride.

Thanks again, and I hope to see some of you at the class. I will be on my ONLY dirt bike.


Yabut, if I can stick shift, and I have an electric start, and the Humvee is my only ride, I will take the Humvee to get better on the Humvee. I will certainly NOT take a bug...

Contemplating seriously, but a new set of shocks, a new helmet, tires and all the rides planned this season will make another $900 a little difficult to justify...

Enjoy though, Jimmy will not go away and there will be more opportunities later...




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Old 04-15-2010, 02:00 PM   #27
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i assume there will be some hill climbs, klammer suggested 14/48 or 14/50.


i'm used to having 15/42 and 15/45, having a lower set up would be nice to have, but it means i'm $60 down in the hole deeper....

thinking of 14/45 or 13/45 if that will suffice.
I would say not to worry about gear changing at all. It won't be any worse than what you did at Titus. Clutch/throttle technique will handle it all and you'll learn more about that from JL's class.
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Old 04-16-2010, 08:29 AM   #28
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I would say not to worry about gear changing at all. It won't be any worse than what you did at Titus. Clutch/throttle technique will handle it all and you'll learn more about that from JL's class.

thanks for the advise ron. forget the 50T, though i'm tempted to put 14T up front for a slight gain, and mainly it's a cheap investement......


i still hate chains......
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Old 04-16-2010, 09:54 AM   #29
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thanks for the advise ron. forget the 50T, though i'm tempted to put 14T up front for a slight gain, and mainly it's a cheap investement......


i still hate chains......
Joel, put a 14t on the front and the biggest sprocket that you own on the rear. This will make a big difference on how many times you stall the bike during the day and will aid you while learning most important clutch, throttle, brake techniques at slow speed. You'll find that you've still got first to shift to in those butt puckering situations and your bike will tractor you out of the spot without stalling and falling down. As you said, it's cheap and you'll thank me later. Then let me know which day you took off work the week after Jimmie's class so I can follow you around Rowher while you burn those lessons into muscle memory and $$ knowledge retention. I'll be there just to make sure you don't turn up something that will kill your buzz. No cameras, just practice. Well, maybe a little helmet video !
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Joel, put a 14t on the front and the biggest sprocket that you own on the rear. This will make a big difference on how many times you stall the bike during the day and will aid you while learning most important clutch, throttle, brake techniques at slow speed. You'll find that you've still got first to shift to in those butt puckering situations and your bike will tractor you out of the spot without stalling and falling down. As you said, it's cheap and you'll thank me later. Then let me know which day you took off work the week after Jimmie's class so I can follow you around Rowher while you burn those lessons into muscle memory and $$ knowledge retention. I'll be there just to make sure you don't turn up something that will kill your buzz. No cameras, just practice. Well, maybe a little helmet video !

i like the way you think and share your experience rich...

found out last night that if i put bigger than 45T, which i just installed on the 640E, i will have to add a link or 2. the front is 15T however i'm fully convinced the 14T will help me on the slow uphill drills.

most of my crashes is when i stalled the bike, especially on a tight turn or switchback. i blame the 15/42 set up on the 3 bikes...... next is operator error....
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