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Old 06-14-2010, 02:01 PM   #16
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I hate to beat the horse, but at best fork gaters are a wash as far as protection goes, and more likely you'll be doing more harm than good in the long run with them on...
If you're going to make that statement, please provide supporting information.
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Old 06-14-2010, 04:04 PM   #17
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All I know is humans have been using fork seal gaiters on off road and mx bikes since the 70's. If they are so horrible, why do people continue to use them after all these years without problem?

My right fork seal on my F800GS failed recently (was leaking) and got replaced under warranty. This happened without the usage of fork seal gaiters. Since it happened without using fork seal gaiters, I'm now considering the use of them. I'll need to gather more info though, as well as the approval of my dealer's BMW tech.
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Old 06-14-2010, 07:04 PM   #18
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Old 06-14-2010, 07:15 PM   #19
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If you're going to make that statement, please provide supporting information.
See the other thread.

Cliff's notes: Short neoprene gaiters = more debris scraping on your fork tubes than nothing at all. Their implementation is exactly opposite of their intent. If you don't get a gaiter that covers the entire fork tube and is cinched on both ends, you're better off with nothing at all.

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All I know is humans have been using fork seal gaiters on off road and mx bikes since the 70's. If they are so horrible, why do people continue to use them after all these years without problem?
In fact, the VAST majority of humans have *not* been using gaiters since the beginning of time, and that majority has only experienced fork seal issues on rare occasion...and usually due to neglect. If gaiters are such a good idea, why don't you see them on any showroom floor? How come you don't see all the old/core dogs out there with them?
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Old 06-14-2010, 07:31 PM   #20
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In fact, the VAST majority of humans have *not* been using gaiters since the beginning of time, and that majority has only experienced fork seal issues on rare occasion...and usually due to neglect. If gaiters are such a good idea, why don't you see them on any showroom floor? How come you don't see all the old/core dogs out there with them?
I never said "ALL" nor did I say "VAST". Just HUMANS....Humans that ride off road and mx bikes. I never said the beginning of time either!I said since the 70's. I've seen a lot of mx'ers and trail riders using them myself. They swear by 'em.

Your stating your opinion bxr. Remember that. Opinions are opinions, facts are facts. I'd like to know the facts so I can make a good judgment as to whether to use them or not. You're not helping with that.

All I know so far is this fact: they've been sold since the 70's and a lot of folks have used 'em since. They still sell 'em. People still buy 'em. Anyone out there actually used fork seal gaiters for a while? Good? Bad?

I can see how they'd potentially score the slider a bit more. However, a scored slider is a lot better than a leaking seal. Maybe the gaiters keep the larger damaging crud out from under the seal, even though finer particulates get under the gaiter.


PS the reason you don't see them on bikes on the showroom floor is the same reason the F800GS doesn't come with a mudsling.
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Old 06-14-2010, 08:23 PM   #21
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See the other thread.

Cliff's notes: Short neoprene gaiters = more debris scraping on your fork tubes than nothing at all. Their implementation is exactly opposite of their intent. If you don't get a gaiter that covers the entire fork tube and is cinched on both ends, you're better off with nothing at all
So noeprene now damages metal?
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Old 06-14-2010, 08:43 PM   #22
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So noeprene now damages metal?
nope, the grit that gets up under it does the damage, as well as the moisture the gater holds in.

Check them out on the inside after a good muddy ride.
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Old 06-14-2010, 09:08 PM   #23
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I can see how they'd potentially score the slider a bit more. However, a scored slider is a lot better than a leaking seal.
So, you realize a scored slider (which is permanent--and expensive--damage) creates a leaking seal, right? ...and it can accelerate wear/damage to the bushings. A leaking seal from a piece of lodged debris on the other hand (which is by far the overwhelming cause of leaking seals) is something that usually gets noticed and rectified immediately...for $0 and no permanent damage.

Look, the only reason I posted is because some folks will assume the mere existence of this thread (and the opinions therein) is proof that [short] neoprene gaiters provide *more* protection than nothing at all. They do not. VERY few people use them, even fewer from the experienced crowd, and nobody uses them for extreme race situations, like MX and Dakar.

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Old 06-14-2010, 09:08 PM   #24
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Fill a condom up w/ a bunch or grit and "go for a ride". You will see how your forks feel w/ a neoprene fork protector.
The full length protectors will guard against nicks.
As mentioned, there are other things to consider when using these in wet environments.
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Old 06-14-2010, 09:47 PM   #25
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I guess I have never thought about it. I have never used them because I think they look stupid...
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Old 06-14-2010, 10:10 PM   #26
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I'm not saying I'm going to use the things. Quite the contrary. I've seen more evidence that they do harm than good. I've just wondered why they still sell 'em I guess.

I've decided I'm going to not use them and just keep the sliders and seals cleans after rides.
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Old 06-15-2010, 07:36 PM   #27
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Hmmm....

Should i wear a condom or not....?
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Old 06-15-2010, 07:54 PM   #28
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Hmmm....

Should i wear a condom or not....?
Keep it clean, brother.
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Old 06-15-2010, 07:58 PM   #29
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Fill a condom up w/ a bunch or grit and "go for a ride". You will see how your forks feel w/ a neoprene fork protector.
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Old 12-30-2012, 04:15 AM   #30
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I hate to beat the horse, but at best fork gaters are a wash as far as protection goes, and more likely you'll be doing more harm than good in the long run with them on...
Yep.

Dirt, mixed with oil, held securely in place by a velcro neoprene sleeve.

Re-chrome here we come.

You are better off popping the dust wiper seal out after every big dirt ride and thoroughly washing it all out. I've tried lots of ways to make the seals last longer, none of them work definitively. If I get 20,000kms of pure dirt riding out of them I'm doing ok I figure.
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