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Old 05-02-2014, 04:05 AM   #6526
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I was browsing the local second hand sites, and I'm all over this one (again). Comes and goes.... my need for this bike... I will definitely end up getting one at some point. They don't make it anymore so parts might be an issue? However being a suzuki it is also probably one of the most fuss free rock solid machine out there :)

Yeah, it's bullet proof.

I've been reading everything I can about it ever since it came out, and
all of it's competitors (ZRX1200, CB1300, XJR1300). Some even say
it's the best of the bunch.
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Old 05-02-2014, 04:08 AM   #6527
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Well, I think I have pretty much eliminated the DL650. I'd want to add a better off-roader down the line, and I don't think "She who must be obeyed" would be happy with seven or eight bikes in the garage. So it's down to these two:





I like the (percieved?) longevity of the F800GS (Saw one the other day with 95k on it). I like the mileage, too. But I've heard you have to spend some serious coin on the suspension to get it where it really needs to be, and it's already a pricey bike (compared to the DL). That and it doesn't really "do it" for me. I know people call the DL the "Camry of motorcycles", well, the F800GS is the "Lexus ES of Motorcycles" for me. Which ultimately may be better since it'll be a commuter first and foremost.

The KTM definitely "does it". I love that bike, and I've never even ridden one. Beast off road. The drawbacks for me are crappy mileage (some people say they can get up to 40-45mpg, but it seems most users average 32-35mpg) and the usual KTM quirks I'd have to sort out (facet fuel pump? clutch hub bolts? etc). That and I don't really see a 990 doing 100k miles. (maybe I'm wrong?). The 990's seem a bit less pricey, I'd have to stick some stiffer springs in it, but that's no big deal.

I have until August to make a decision.
I see you mentioned it, but when I first saw your post first thing that popped
into my head was that you found 2 absolute extremes when it comes to
fuel consumption, and based on that alone I'd take the BMW and rather
spend the money riding it, then fixing the KTM (I can see the owners foaming
at the mouth already, but it will happen).

That said, the regular maintenance of the BMW is probably more expensive
(in authorized dealerships I mean..).
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Old 05-02-2014, 04:11 AM   #6528
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What is that? I like it!
It's a Suzuki GSX1400.

You might also want to google Honda CB1300, Kawasaki ZRX1200R (and
1200 without the R for the round headlight, very rare though), and the
Yamaha XJR1300. Honda and Yamaha are still available in some markets.

These were the "muscle-bike" nakeds of year ~2000 (and a bit before
and after).

Closest to the GSX1400 that you can get now is a Bandit 1250 naked.
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Old 05-02-2014, 04:14 AM   #6529
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Old 05-02-2014, 04:38 AM   #6530
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Sounds like you should consider a KLR. After the CDR trip, if it doesn't suit there is a healthy resale market.

Reasons:

Will easily keep up with the 800s on the gravel and trails.

Will keep up with the twins OK on the roads, at reasonable speeds anyway, if not as well at high speeds.

Suitable for taller riders.

Cheap, well-farkled, used bikes are plentiful.

Likely at least as reliable as either the BMW or KTM, and cheap as dirt to fix, and low-tech enough for most to wrench on with simple tools.

Not the sexy choice, but sounds to me like the right tools for the job.
I thought about a KLR, I even went out and bought a milk crate. But it has a couple drawbacks, a healthy resale only helps once you've got the bike, it hurts when you're trying to buy one cheap. They're not the easiest bike to find here, cheap. (Of course "cheap" is a relative term, they're easily acquired for half or a bit over half the cost of an 800/990, but that's not necessarily "cheap" considering it's a KLR) For gravel/dual sport trips around here I've got a DRZ, and I have a rear rack, a GL Coyote, bags, bigger tank, etc, so I can set it up as a light ADV bike. The DRZ is better off road, and perfectly suitable for week long dirt heavy trips like Baja. The KLR is almost too close, in terms of ability, to the DRZ. The DRZ is better off road, and the KLR isn't a whole lot better then the DRZ on road. As much as I'd like to have a socket set (XC-W, EXC, KLR, TE610, 950SE, and a Super Ten) I'm looking for more of a crescent wrench (DRZ and a F800GS? DRZ and a KTM990?).

That and this:

20 mile highway commute daily (one way).

1,300 mile paved trip to Sturgis (one way).

4,000 +/- mile trip to Deadhorse (one way).

I'd like something better able to handle high speed pavement. My dad is going to Sturgis, and I want to meet him there, but I'm not sure about the timeline, so I might need to spend some travel time blasting down the highway trying to log serious miles because I don't have enough vacation time to take the scenic route. Same story for the Alaska trip.

I keep leaning more and more toward the F800GS but every time I get close, I get reminded what a sexy beast the 990 is.
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Old 05-02-2014, 06:32 AM   #6531
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It's a Suzuki GSX1400.

You might also want to google Honda CB1300, Kawasaki ZRX1200R (and
1200 without the R for the round headlight, very rare though), and the
Yamaha XJR1300. Honda and Yamaha are still available in some markets.

These were the "muscle-bike" nakeds of year ~2000 (and a bit before
and after).

Closest to the GSX1400 that you can get now is a Bandit 1250 naked.
I think the ZRX is the only one of these that made it to the US, that's why I didn't recognize the Suzuki. Thanks!
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Old 05-02-2014, 06:33 AM   #6532
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I think the ZRX is the only one of these that made it to the US, that's why I didn't recognize the Suzuki. Thanks!
Yep, it is, and maybe even just one version, the 1200R, and there was a
"proper" naked version and an 'S' version too. People who ridden all of them
(and local magazines have been comparing them for years here, every time
that any of them got an update) usually say that the ZRX is the fastest and
most "brutal" in delivery but that the other 3 bikes are probably better all-round
bikes.

Makes sense looking at the prices back in 2000-2003, the ZRX was by far the
cheapest, followed by Yamaha at around 20% more, then add another 10%
to that for the Suzuki and another 10% for the Honda.

The difference in price between the ZRX and the CB13 in 2006 was almost a
whole Vespa 250.
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Old 05-02-2014, 09:10 PM   #6533
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Yeah, it's bullet proof.



I've been reading everything I can about it ever since it came out, and

all of it's competitors (ZRX1200, CB1300, XJR1300). Some even say

it's the best of the bunch.

Any of those would prolly do the trick. And if you never rode more than one back to back you would never know which one is better. Probably all are bullet proof. Although I like the slab side water cooled design. Was that the Honda?


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Old 05-02-2014, 09:38 PM   #6534
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Old 05-05-2014, 06:16 AM   #6535
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Triumph Tiger 1050 SE.

That was yesterday and today.

Oh, and a BMW R1200 RT. That's been an on again, off again affair.
CM:

I've had BMW 3 RTs since '99. My most recent is an '05 1200 with Wilbers shocks. The rear one is triple adjustable (High and low speed compression, rebound, and spring preload).

I highly recommend a pre-gearhead 1200 RT because you can adjust the valves so easily by yourself. They don't have all the gizmos the new ones do but the power is more than adequate and they handle great. The later of the pre-gearheads dumped the servo brakes so brake service is easier too. I have 2nd generation servo brakes which are wonderful, just a little more complicated to service. It's the only thing I go to a dealer for on service.

I've got 78K on mine, bought new. It runs like a top and it's set up just the way I like it. They are great bikes. Very light for a touring bike, have almost Gold Wing comfort with handling that rivals many sport bikes.

Found out last summer in Colorado that they are not great dirt bikes however. I scratched up my bags pretty badly. Decided to repaint the whole bike. 13 pieces are at the body shop right now. I'll take it in for the fuel system recall and have brakes serviced when I get all the painted bits back from the body shop and reassemble. I'm going to ride the wheels off this one. It's a keeper.

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Old 05-05-2014, 07:38 AM   #6536
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After taking a Super Moto class at So Cal SM,(best $200 EVER spent) I want one of these!

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Old 05-05-2014, 08:40 AM   #6537
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I like the (percieved?) longevity of the F800GS (Saw one the other day with 95k on it). I like the mileage, too. But I've heard you have to spend some serious coin on the suspension to get it where it really needs to be, and it's already a pricey bike (compared to the DL). That and it doesn't really "do it" for me. I know people call the DL the "Camry of motorcycles", well, the F800GS is the "Lexus ES of Motorcycles" for me. Which ultimately may be better since it'll be a commuter first and foremost.
The 800 keeps coming up on my radar too over the years, it just looks so good on paper. But every time I would investigate it seemed there was some other issue. Early motors needing rebuilt at low miles, suspension bolts bending, then it was stators failing and gas tanks cracking, etc. Plus the complaints of the motor being buzzy. And it ain't cheap. As others have advised, if you go for the 800,I'd get '13 or newer.

I'm a little taller than you and found the 990 very comfortable.

This month I'm leaning towards the Triumph 800 Tiger XC and making it a little roomier.
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Old 05-05-2014, 11:18 AM   #6538
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Always liked these. I'll have the cash for a new bike within the next 2-3 months, and at that point it'll basically be a question of what comes up first on the local CL - there are a couple of other bikes in the running besides this one.
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Old 05-05-2014, 11:23 AM   #6539
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After taking a Super Moto class at So Cal SM,(best $200 EVER spent) I want one of these!

YES. My brother and I did a similar track day through Temecula KTM.

A dozen fully prepped bikes, race slicks, gas, and hot dogs...for $100.

I asked the guy running it how the hell they made any money running their Supermoto track day. He said, "We don't. But we sell a shit-load of bikes after these things."

My brother and I bought a pair of 690s within a month.



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Old 05-05-2014, 11:47 AM   #6540
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