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Old 05-22-2013, 06:23 PM   #4936
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Old 05-22-2013, 06:59 PM   #4937
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Yeah, which bike issues have arisen

test rode a 2013 SuperT. DAMMIT! I'm still in love with it. I thought that my FJR1300 ownership would render the SuperT useless to me. But, I still ride the Super T better in the twisties !!!!!!! Of course my Fjr doesn't have ABS or traction control so I have more confidence on the SuperT.

I definitely miss the powerplant in the FJR.Yes, knowing I'm faster than 90% of the traffic around me is comforting...and feeds the octance ego I've developed from owning a jet on wheels. Yeah, I'm let down by the off the line acceleration of the Super T but thats the only thing I think I'd miss if I let the FJR1300 go.

While test riding a friends Super T, I rode in the grass, sprinted in the gravel, and experimented with going off tar and back, anticipating rear end collision for instance. I'm sure on the FJR I'd get from New Hampshire to California a day earlier. But, it seems that the Super T provides a measure of security since it can go around some tarmac issues.. My first bike was a WeeStrom and the SuperT has that whole thing perfected. I hate that speed-ego is in my blood

I just rode the Tail of Dragon and had my most skillful (and fastest) ride on the FJR, slayed the dragon. That ride should be on my mind. But, here I am three days later thinking more about the test ride on the Super T. After several years of practicing on a very twisties mountain rode, I've finally gotten my FJR skills up to a good sportbike level. However, yesterday, several of the turns were faster on the Super T and Im not yet comfortable with the Super T ! I'm left with what ifs.

What if the stock SuperT was ecu flashed and modified for speed and suspension tigthness? Would my FJR-speed-ego be fed?

What if I get the Super T and still hate being pushed forward in the seat? FJR throne is so much more comfortable.

What if I miss the FJR ? There is something about that bike. It fits in and looks great everywhere. Being a businessman, sometimes, I can suit up. Hmm, three piece suit and a Super T ride, muffler spitting out my arrival?

What if the pillions are uncomfortable? Didnt have a trusty sidekick during my test ride.

Moment of truth I guess is this, the FJR positives over the Super T almost all relate to speed. All the other pluses of the Yamaha are matched by the Yamaha. Reliability, durability, fit and finish. This is tough. I mostly ride tarmac but the thought of being able to bound down a fireroad, hurtle past construction sights and crappy roads or just turn around in the median to go to the bathroom when interstate traffic comes to a 5mph crawl.
I'm not an offroader, having just started riding a few years ago at 40+years old. but the versatility, the option is too much to ignore.

tough decision, keep my sports touring bike that I love(10states) or go for the tractor bike that I ride better. favorite riding style is this: ride all day long, sleep, then ride all day long. other riding styles: take pictures of sights from different vantage points. go shopping. go to the gym to workout. visit a friend 4 states away. ride in the rain. ride in the cold. ride in the heat. (i have the 05 FJR HOT !!!!). ride for 15minutes just to breathe fresh air and clear my mind for creative projects.

dammit, which bike?
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Old 05-22-2013, 07:10 PM   #4938
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test rode a 2013 SuperT. DAMMIT! I'm still in love with it. I thought that my FJR1300 ownership would render the SuperT useless to me. But, I still ride the Super T better in the twisties !!!!!!! Of course my Fjr doesn't have ABS or traction control so I have more confidence on the SuperT.

I definitely miss the powerplant in the FJR.Yes, knowing I'm faster than 90% of the traffic around me is comforting...and feeds the octance ego I've developed from owning a jet on wheels. Yeah, I'm let down by the off the line acceleration of the Super T but thats the only thing I think I'd miss if I let the FJR1300 go.dammit, which bike?
There are a lot of former FJR owners who have moved on to S10s and are very happy. There are a few who own both and are also very happy. Just depends on how and where you like to ride. If you have any interest in exploring off the beaten track, the S10 is the way to go. If you like an upright position with lots of legroom, again the S10 is the way to go. The S10 pretty much covers everything, of course your wind protection won't be as good as on the FJR but I find it gives me plenty and heated gear takes care of the rest in winter. I've had mine up to 200 kph indicated, I think that would get me to California pretty fast as well. ;>

The S10's first three gears are restricted, taking care of that with a reflash or clutch switch mod greatly increases the bike's grunt. People are now raving about the Gen II flash offered by ECUnleashed, including at least one FJR former owner (Pluric).
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Old 05-22-2013, 07:25 PM   #4939
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Have both. You are right about your FJR. And you are right about the Tenere.

And if you come up with reasons that you can't have both, then you will be right about that too. :)

By the way, it's not uncommon for the FJR owner to admit after he got the S10 that he quit riding the FJR. THAT is when you don't have both. When and if you no longer actually still want both.

Great post though. I FELT your tug-o-war.
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Old 05-22-2013, 08:29 PM   #4940
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The S10's first three gears are restricted, taking care of that with a reflash or clutch switch mod greatly increases the bike's grunt. People are now raving about the Gen II flash offered by ECUnleashed, including at least one FJR former owner (Pluric).
Yup. Had the first and 2nd generation FJR. I really liked them. Thought a model of it would always be
in my garage. I honestly didn't ride it once in 6 months after the Tenere showed up. I didn't ride one of
my other bikes. I even started to use it as my dirt bike. Four bent wheels later I'm trying to give it a break
as a trail bike.

I've always felt more comfortable in the corners on the Tenere. Actually more comfortable in every aspect.
After switching to K60s the pavement trust has dropped some. But they wear so well it's worth it.

Performance wise I've never been impressed with the Tenere. My old Strom had as much top end and
similar acceleration . I did miss the FJR feeling of confidence that if push came to shove with a cager
I could leave them in the dust.

That was then. After the 2nd gen reflash I now have big grin performance and with the push of a button
nice tame Touring mode if needed. the reflash really defines the two modes. Sport mode lives up to it's
name and gives the bike a hooligan nature. The original reflash solved some fueling issues and the
bike ran great. The new reflash takes it to a new performance level while no FJR on the very top end
it's enough to make you miss the FJR a lot less.

Originally I had resigned myself to trade the performance high of the FJR for all day comfort and relaxed
ergos of the Tenere. Plush ride too. With the simple gen 2 reflash I've ended up with a very versatile,
reliable wolf in sheeps clothing. It's a keeper.

As for the FJRs. I have two sitting a warehouse. Licensed to me but I sold it to a fellow in Australia.
They come once a year to ride in the States. Either one is at my disposal to use. I'm not even tempted.

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Old 05-22-2013, 09:47 PM   #4941
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Shame it's not just a chip swap by the owner
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Old 05-22-2013, 09:54 PM   #4942
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Shame it's not just a chip swap by the owner
AF-1 Racing will make almost that easy for you. Just look at it as a big chip.
10 minutes to pull out the ECU, about a week down time and the rest of your
ownership to enjoy the benefits.

You know you want to.
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Old 05-22-2013, 10:28 PM   #4943
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AF-1 Racing will make almost that easy for you. Just look at it as a big chip.
10 minutes to pull out the ECU, about a week down time and the rest of your
ownership to enjoy the benefits.

You know you want to.


Ditto on Ed and AF-1 Racing... Best in the business!

BTW, Pluric, while I was out town race chasin' ol' Michael at ECUnleashed replied to my e-mail inquiry about the *free* Gen 2 flash update. So I filled out the online form, pulled the ECU, and then did the Fed-Ex 2-day two-step and shipped it off to ECUnleashed in California.

To tell ya' the truth, if had not been for you finally getting your ECU back, as well as Ed Cook's own reassurance that there wouldn't be any problems doing the California turnaround, I'm not sure I would have risked it. After all, I was plenty happy with my Gen 1 flash.

Can't wait to see what all the excitement has been about with the Gen 2 update! I only hope it doesn't take as long as your's did!

Dallara


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Old 05-23-2013, 06:25 AM   #4944
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Can't wait to see what all the excitement has been about with the Gen 2 update! I only hope it doesn't take as long as your's did!

Dallara


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In hindsight and after reading their instructions I have to take the blame for the delay.
I did not pre-register. I just sent them an ECU with my information and some cash
and return shipping label for return shipping.

I will be interested to hear what you think too.
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Old 05-23-2013, 06:57 AM   #4945
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Old 05-23-2013, 07:07 AM   #4946
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That's great.

I bet the guy with the Open Road trailer was jealous of the size of your rig.
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Old 05-23-2013, 10:17 AM   #4947
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Ole Git Ray,

THAT's how you do it! :)

It shows that you are enjoying the adventure.
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Old 05-23-2013, 10:53 AM   #4948
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test rode a 2013 SuperT. DAMMIT! I'm still in love with it. I thought that my FJR1300 ownership would render the SuperT useless to me. But, I still ride the Super T better in the twisties !!!!!!! Of course my Fjr doesn't have ABS or traction control so I have more confidence on the SuperT.

I definitely miss the powerplant in the FJR.Yes, knowing I'm faster than 90% of the traffic around me is comforting...and feeds the octance ego I've developed from owning a jet on wheels. Yeah, I'm let down by the off the line acceleration of the Super T but thats the only thing I think I'd miss if I let the FJR1300 go.

While test riding a friends Super T, I rode in the grass, sprinted in the gravel, and experimented with going off tar and back, anticipating rear end collision for instance. I'm sure on the FJR I'd get from New Hampshire to California a day earlier. But, it seems that the Super T provides a measure of security since it can go around some tarmac issues.. My first bike was a WeeStrom and the SuperT has that whole thing perfected. I hate that speed-ego is in my blood

I just rode the Tail of Dragon and had my most skillful (and fastest) ride on the FJR, slayed the dragon. That ride should be on my mind. But, here I am three days later thinking more about the test ride on the Super T. After several years of practicing on a very twisties mountain rode, I've finally gotten my FJR skills up to a good sportbike level. However, yesterday, several of the turns were faster on the Super T and Im not yet comfortable with the Super T ! I'm left with what ifs.

What if the stock SuperT was ecu flashed and modified for speed and suspension tigthness? Would my FJR-speed-ego be fed?

What if I get the Super T and still hate being pushed forward in the seat? FJR throne is so much more comfortable.

What if I miss the FJR ? There is something about that bike. It fits in and looks great everywhere. Being a businessman, sometimes, I can suit up. Hmm, three piece suit and a Super T ride, muffler spitting out my arrival?

What if the pillions are uncomfortable? Didnt have a trusty sidekick during my test ride.

Moment of truth I guess is this, the FJR positives over the Super T almost all relate to speed. All the other pluses of the Yamaha are matched by the Yamaha. Reliability, durability, fit and finish. This is tough. I mostly ride tarmac but the thought of being able to bound down a fireroad, hurtle past construction sights and crappy roads or just turn around in the median to go to the bathroom when interstate traffic comes to a 5mph crawl.
I'm not an offroader, having just started riding a few years ago at 40+years old. but the versatility, the option is too much to ignore.

tough decision, keep my sports touring bike that I love(10states) or go for the tractor bike that I ride better. favorite riding style is this: ride all day long, sleep, then ride all day long. other riding styles: take pictures of sights from different vantage points. go shopping. go to the gym to workout. visit a friend 4 states away. ride in the rain. ride in the cold. ride in the heat. (i have the 05 FJR HOT !!!!). ride for 15minutes just to breathe fresh air and clear my mind for creative projects.

dammit, which bike?
Lapi -
Welcome to the dirty side.


I also had both a first and second generation FJR. I still prefer the sexy looks of the FJR and occasionally miss that turbine engine. Those were fantastic. It satisfies what you called "speed ego."

A few specific answers:
I actually long-distance easier on the Tenere than on the FJR. The Tenere is more of a kitchen chair upright position and once you flatten the seat ($2 mod) and get a windshield to fit (same as on the FJR), the Tenere is better in all-day comfort. It's much easier on my back and shoulders, plus the legs are more relaxed. It helps that I can stretch my legs out by putting them up on the bars.

Even if you do the flash and modify the suspension, the Tenere will be a twin that will never have the ease of revving that the FJR has. It'll also be down on horsepower. However, as you found, the Tenere WILL frigging fly when you want it to; it just doesn't feel like it.

Flatten the seat on the Tenere with a couple rubber bumpers for $2 from Home Depot and it's as comfy as the FJR's. Not the best in the world and I may go for the kit that has different foam ($159), but the seat comforts themselves are very similar. What's different is the rest of the ergos and the Tenere is MUCH easier to live with.

My lady prefers the pillion of the Tenere by a lot. No question on this one, even before I raised the front of her seat by about a half inch and now she prefers it to the true tourers. The Tenere pillion seat is huge, flat, her knees bend less, and she gets hit by less wind it seems.

The Tenere has everything else. Commuting, I don't worry about a tipover from ass-hat parallel parking a car. No tupperware worries. Easier in town, where speeds are low. Dirt and mud roads that gave me the willies on the FJR have become what I look for with the Tenere. Panniers are big enough to actually carry what the two of us want to take. Etc.
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Old 05-23-2013, 10:58 AM   #4949
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Just curious if the trip is programmed for these big miles per day, as you are covering a lot of ground fast.

If not, the one thing we regretted on our big ride last year was not spending enough full days in different places. You've got a whole year and are already retired.

(Yes, I'm jealous )
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Old 05-23-2013, 02:44 PM   #4950
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Lapi -
Welcome to the dirty side.


I also had both a first and second generation FJR. I still prefer the sexy looks of the FJR and occasionally miss that turbine engine. Those were fantastic. It satisfies what you called "speed ego."

A few specific answers:
I actually long-distance easier on the Tenere than on the FJR. The Tenere is more of a kitchen chair upright position and once you flatten the seat ($2 mod) and get a windshield to fit (same as on the FJR), the Tenere is better in all-day comfort. It's much easier on my back and shoulders, plus the legs are more relaxed. It helps that I can stretch my legs out by putting them up on the bars.

Even if you do the flash and modify the suspension, the Tenere will be a twin that will never have the ease of revving that the FJR has. It'll also be down on horsepower. However, as you found, the Tenere WILL frigging fly when you want it to; it just doesn't feel like it.

Flatten the seat on the Tenere with a couple rubber bumpers for $2 from Home Depot and it's as comfy as the FJR's. Not the best in the world and I may go for the kit that has different foam ($159), but the seat comforts themselves are very similar. What's different is the rest of the ergos and the Tenere is MUCH easier to live with.

My lady prefers the pillion of the Tenere by a lot. No question on this one, even before I raised the front of her seat by about a half inch and now she prefers it to the true tourers. The Tenere pillion seat is huge, flat, her knees bend less, and she gets hit by less wind it seems.

The Tenere has everything else. Commuting, I don't worry about a tipover from ass-hat parallel parking a car. No tupperware worries. Easier in town, where speeds are low. Dirt and mud roads that gave me the willies on the FJR have become what I look for with the Tenere. Panniers are big enough to actually carry what the two of us want to take. Etc.
I can echo a lot of these comments (I still have my 08 FJR, rode it to work today...). I did turn my ST into a solo mount rig by pulling the grab bars and passenger pegs (it would be about 10 minutes work to put them back). I did my SS1000 on the ST, which would have been much more difficult on the FJR due to the differences in seating between the two bikes. Am I glad I have both? Absolutely! If I was forced to keep only bike, which would it be? The Super Tenere, of course!

EDIT: Had to add the obligatory ST Pic. This is on FR300 on top of the Mogollon rim...

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