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Old 11-05-2010, 07:20 AM   #1636
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I like the baby shit yellow.
If I was in any way attracted to that color, I already have a name picked out for the beast. I dub thee "Vomit Comet!"
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Old 11-05-2010, 08:13 AM   #1637
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Old 11-05-2010, 08:48 AM   #1638
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Because KLR's suck. I've owned 3 different KLRs, and a DR.

The DR an KLR are comparatively much slower, less comfortable, have vastly worse brakes, etc. and are still too heavy, fragile, and poorly suspended to be "real" dirtbikes. Easier to ride off-road than the GS for sure, but you pay a huge on-road penalty for it. That works well for some, just not for me.

A typical weekend on my GS involves several hundred road miles linking dirt and gravel roads, plus some fire roads and jeep trails. The DR and KLR could do the same rides, they were just nowhere near as enjoyable on the road sections. Or, shooting off to visit friends 800-miles away and maybe throwing in some dirt roads and camping on the way home, or heading out to Utah (4,000+ miles RT) this spring. Possible on the DR of course - just nowhere near as much fun. Or, I could take a dedicated road bike, and then just look lustingly at the hundreds of dirt roads and jeep trails that I can't ride.

If you're looking for a DR or a KLR - this Triumph ain't for you. This isn't a more expensive KLR, it's a totally different class of motorcycle like the GS is. I'm anxiously awaiting a test ride on the Triumph, I think it might just be perfect BMW alternative for me.
With all those miles, when do you find time to do the Final Drive repair?

Utah? That's it? I'm taking my KLR to Alaska, wanna tag along?


I am a KLR rider that is torn betwen the GS800 and this Tiger. These are what I want.

Not a monster in size (GS1200), not a crazy Dakar Bike (KTM 9*0). Big enough to two up weekend tours (or longer if needed), yet small enough for me to handle on the dirt roads I like.

These two are Adventure Bikes.

Until I graduate from College though, no new bikes....
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Old 11-05-2010, 09:02 AM   #1639
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Of course! It must remind you of British cuisine!

Perhaps you can verify if what I heard is true... that the British believe it's a sin to enjoy your food, so they cook accordingly!

Just kidding! I love me some Bangers and Mash or some Spotted Dick!
Only when eating McDonalds, Burger King or KFC and other fine cuisine from this fine land
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Old 11-05-2010, 09:04 AM   #1640
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With all those miles, when do you find time to do the Final Drive repair?

Utah? That's it? I'm taking my KLR to Alaska, wanna tag along?


I am a KLR rider that is torn betwen the GS800 and this Tiger. These are what I want.

Not a monster in size (GS1200), not a crazy Dakar Bike (KTM 9*0). Big enough to two up weekend tours (or longer if needed), yet small enough for me to handle on the dirt roads I like.

These two are Adventure Bikes.

Until I graduate from College though, no new bikes....
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Old 11-05-2010, 09:13 AM   #1641
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I hear ya Ragin. I'm still enjoying the KLR, but its underpowered. Perfect for the offroad I ride though.
I put an 800GS through hell this year in Cali. 130mph on highway, then offroad torture through Mendocino, including knee-high watercrossings.
Taken a 1200GS through Old Dale Rd offroad bliss in Arizona and it stood up well to that.
Unless the 800XC lives up to those expectations I'll just have to dig a little deeper into the money-box and get my BMW tattoo to go with an 800GS.
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Old 11-05-2010, 10:10 AM   #1642
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Only when eating McDonalds, Burger King or KFC and other fine cuisine from this fine land
I agree. I was talking about food, though... what do those crap factories have to do with food?
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Old 11-05-2010, 11:01 AM   #1643
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Hi to all the people here.

Don't know if i'm repeating someone but prices have been revealed for the Italian market:

Triumph Tiger 800: 8990
Triumph Tiger 800XC: 9990
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Old 11-05-2010, 12:03 PM   #1644
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Now I'm starting to think of how great it would be to do a wine and food tour of Italy, down one side and up the other, on an 800...............
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Old 11-05-2010, 12:19 PM   #1645
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Because KLR's suck. I've owned 3 different KLRs, and a DR. The DR was a very nice DS, but it's no match for one of these "adventure touring" style bikes on a long haul. I seriously don't have much positive to say about the KLRs, except that they're cheap, so I'll leave it at that. After all of this, I'm back to one bike that does do it all, a 1200GS Adventure.The GS handles as well; is as fast; stops as well; and is more comfortable on the road than just about any dedicated road bike I have owned - it just has the added benefit of the (relatively marginal) off-road ability.

The DR an KLR are comparatively much slower, less comfortable, have vastly worse brakes, etc. and are still too heavy, fragile, and poorly suspended to be "real" dirtbikes. Easier to ride off-road than the GS for sure, but you pay a huge on-road penalty for it. That works well for some, just not for me.

A typical weekend on my GS involves several hundred road miles linking dirt and gravel roads, plus some fire roads and jeep trails. The DR and KLR could do the same rides, they were just nowhere near as enjoyable on the road sections. Or, shooting off to visit friends 800-miles away and maybe throwing in some dirt roads and camping on the way home, or heading out to Utah (4,000+ miles RT) this spring. Possible on the DR of course - just nowhere near as much fun. Or, I could take a dedicated road bike, and then just look lustingly at the hundreds of dirt roads and jeep trails that I can't ride.

If you're looking for a DR or a KLR - this Triumph ain't for you. This isn't a more expensive KLR, it's a totally different class of motorcycle like the GS is. I'm anxiously awaiting a test ride on the Triumph, I think it might just be perfect BMW alternative for me.
Single dual sport bikes work well in certain situations, won't match a BMW GS adv in others. On road the GS wins of course but my DR650 does quite well on our tight, beat up California paved back roads. Rougher the better. The GS does OK on this stuff but the DR is much faster ... but does lack in brakes. But on a 370 lbs. wet weight bike ... who needs brakes? Last BMW GS adv we weighed came in about 700 plus lbs. loaded up, full fuel.

Can the average solo rider pick up a BMW GS adv if it falls? How about if the rider is pinned? Now try that on a muddy road ... or ice!

Depending on what you consider "off road", I'd say the BMW GS adv is rather limited ... and I would think the new Tiger should do a lot better. But until we start getting first hand ride reports on the new Tiger, can't say for sure.

I've been on rides with GS guys in mud and deep sand. Not good. Two turned around, one tried to make it .... bike ended up in the bucket of a rancher's tractor. Took four guys to get it in and out without damage. My DR650 struggled but made it through pretty easy. Lifting that GS was what hurt me

You could never take a GS very far off road in Baja. Sure, you might be OK in places but eventually Baja will get you riding that bike. Even my DR is a no-go in places. The difference is I can do probably 75% to 85% of whats there. The GS? maybe 30% ? New Tiger? I think it will do pretty well if kept from most radical sections.

DR's and KLR's have there uses. Both are considered excellent RTW travel bikes. Cheap and cheerful ... and reliable. There are dozens of riders out there NOW riding these bikes in crazy-ass places where a GS would struggle mightily. I won't even bring up reliability. Don't want to get banned here. BMW GS's are scared Cows here on ADV Rider.
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Old 11-05-2010, 12:42 PM   #1646
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Now I'm starting to think of how great it would be to do a wine and food tour of Italy, down one side and up the other, on an 800...............
You mean like this...



from our Alps tour this summer. Didn't quite ride down one side and up the other but hey it was still fun. Only thing that could have made it better according to my wife was if she was on her Street Triple instead of the F800R.
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Old 11-05-2010, 12:53 PM   #1647
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You mean like this...

from our Alps tour this summer. Didn't quite ride down one side and up the other but hey it was still fun. Only thing that could have made it better according to my wife was if she was on her Street Triple instead of the F800R.
You're a cruel man.

Of course, the F800R is really an around/near town bike hooligan bike (I imagine it would easily outwheelie the Street3, for instance). I think the Tiger 800 is going to be a hella tourer (and great 'round town bike) as long as the seat is okay and there's decent wind deflection. Loved riding the brother's Sprint 900 across several states. Smooth, yet torque. No need for a big sewing machine when you can have "comfortable character".
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Old 11-05-2010, 01:01 PM   #1648
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I agree. I was talking about food, though... what do those crap factories have to do with food?
I think he was refering to the baby sh*t yellow.
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Old 11-05-2010, 01:28 PM   #1649
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Like an X-mas Fruitcake, I've been around....
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Old 11-05-2010, 10:02 PM   #1650
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Hi to all the people here.

Don't know if i'm repeating someone but prices have been revealed for the Italian market:

Triumph Tiger 800: 8990
Triumph Tiger 800XC: 9990
If that price translates into $$, which it usually does, one for one, it would make it the cheapest of the Adventure twins. KTM 990's are over $17K now and the GS800 and Tenere coming close behind.
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