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Old 03-28-2013, 08:58 AM   #16501
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Old 03-28-2013, 09:36 AM   #16502
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Bike pulls to the right

Hello Inmates,

Wanted to check and see if this is a common/inherant design issue with the 800XC.

Basically, if you take your hands off the bars while going straight down the road.......the bike will pull to the right. It's very subtle to correct....but basically, I have to continuously counter steer the bike to keep it going straight. The only other way to make the bike go straight (without hands on the bars), is to lean my body off to the left of the bike (i.e., like I'm looking around the left side of the windshield).

Most people won't notice it, but I have carpal tunnel syndrome in my wrists....and on trips where I ride day, after day, it starts to cause me issues.

After testing every thing I thought was causing the problem, like the crown of the road, loose spokes, etc., I finally took the bike to the dealer. They confirmed the issue, and worked with Triumph to try to correct the problem (three weeks in the shop). They adjusted the front end, tightened spokes, put a new wheel on the front, etc., and could not resolve the problem.

Finally, the tech called me and told me that he took to brand new 800XC's off of the show room floor......Guess what???? HE SAID THAT BOTH OF THE NEW BIKES DO IT TOO!!!! He said I was welcome to come down and ride them as well to confirm.

I finally figured out a bandaid solution. I put my Giant Loop Coyote soft bag on the bike......then PUT A 15 LB. BUMBELL IN THE LEFT SIDE OFF THE BAG......and guess what, the bike tracks straight with my hands off the bars!!!!!!!!!!

Next time you're out on your bike, wondering if you could test to see if your bike does the same and advise

Thanks in advance.
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Old 03-28-2013, 09:56 AM   #16503
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Mine does the same thing, I read somewhere that the additional weight of the exhaust on the right side is what does it, it weights around 15 lbs, I would like to hear from people who have a lighter aftermarket exhaust, maybe it makes a difference
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Old 03-28-2013, 09:56 AM   #16504
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Hello Inmates,

Wanted to check and see if this is a common/inherant design issue with the 800XC.

Basically, if you take your hands off the bars while going straight down the road.......the bike will pull to the right. It's very subtle to correct....but basically, I have to continuously counter steer the bike to keep it going straight. The only other way to make the bike go straight (without hands on the bars), is to lean my body off to the left of the bike (i.e., like I'm looking around the left side of the windshield).

Most people won't notice it, but I have carpal tunnel syndrome in my wrists....and on trips where I ride day, after day, it starts to cause me issues.

After testing every thing I thought was causing the problem, like the crown of the road, loose spokes, etc., I finally took the bike to the dealer. They confirmed the issue, and worked with Triumph to try to correct the problem (three weeks in the shop). They adjusted the front end, tightened spokes, put a new wheel on the front, etc., and could not resolve the problem.

Finally, the tech called me and told me that he took to brand new 800XC's off of the show room floor......Guess what???? HE SAID THAT BOTH OF THE NEW BIKES DO IT TOO!!!! He said I was welcome to come down and ride them as well to confirm.

I finally figured out a bandaid solution. I put my Giant Loop Coyote soft bag on the bike......then PUT A 15 LB. BUMBELL IN THE LEFT SIDE OFF THE BAG......and guess what, the bike tracks straight with my hands off the bars!!!!!!!!!!

Next time you're out on your bike, wondering if you could test to see if your bike does the same and advise

Thanks in advance.
My XC had this issue. I corrected it by adjusting the front wheel.

Now, on a level road, removing my hands from the bars, the bike tracks straight.
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Old 03-28-2013, 11:38 AM   #16505
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UMMM... why do you need to take your hands off the bars for extended periods of time??? The way I would fix it is not to take my hands off the bars.
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Old 03-28-2013, 11:48 AM   #16506
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UMMM... why do you need to take your hands off the bars for extended periods of time??? The way I would fix it is not to take my hands off the bars.
Uh ya......

Taking my hands off the bars was to method used to determine the problem.

What I like to do (which I can on my other bikes) is to "rest" my hands lightly on the bars while riding.....and therefore, minimize the vibes that are transferred into my hands/wrists. With this issue on my XC, I have to "counter steer" 24/7.....and push one side, pull on the other, or a combination of both to keep the bike going straight. This requires more pressure on the bars....which sends more "vibes" into my hands....and thus aggravates my carpal tunnel syndrome.

I bought this bike because of it super smooth/low vibration motor. However, because I have to continuously counter steer the bike.......it is causing me more carpal tunnel issues than other bikes that have more vibes....but don't have to be counter steered.

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Old 03-28-2013, 11:56 AM   #16507
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My klr did this, it was cured by tweeking the rear wheel. Can't remember which way to tell you to adjust it at the moment. It was simple though, 1/2 turn on one side, ride and see if it was better.
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Old 03-28-2013, 12:39 PM   #16508
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Anyone know the stock size orange indicator bulb for the 800? Can I get it at any auto parts store, or maybe a BMW dealer (closer than the Triumph dealer)?
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Old 03-28-2013, 01:37 PM   #16509
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Thanks everyone for the feedback on the tires. I went ahead and ordered a set of the Full Bores. I would have liked the longevity of the K60s, but considering that I could get a full set of tires for less than the price of one K60 rear, well, it's hard to not at least give them a try.
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Old 03-28-2013, 03:57 PM   #16510
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Uh ya......

Taking my hands off the bars was to method used to determine the problem.

What I like to do (which I can on my other bikes) is to "rest" my hands lightly on the bars while riding.....and therefore, minimize the vibes that are transferred into my hands/wrists. With this issue on my XC, I have to "counter steer" 24/7.....and push one side, pull on the other, or a combination of both to keep the bike going straight. This requires more pressure on the bars....which sends more "vibes" into my hands....and thus aggravates my carpal tunnel syndrome.

I bought this bike because of it super smooth/low vibration motor. However, because I have to continuously counter steer the bike.......it is causing me more carpal tunnel issues than other bikes that have more vibes....but don't have to be counter steered.
Ic. Sounds like something is out of wack. Like others said, check wheel alignment. I can rest my hands lightly on the bars with no counter steer. I have never adjusted anything. Good luck.
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Old 03-28-2013, 05:32 PM   #16511
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Hello Inmates,

Wanted to check and see if this is a common/inherant design issue with the 800XC.

Basically, if you take your hands off the bars while going straight down the road.......the bike will pull to the right. It's very subtle to correct....but basically, I have to continuously counter steer the bike to keep it going straight. The only other way to make the bike go straight (without hands on the bars), is to lean my body off to the left of the bike (i.e., like I'm looking around the left side of the windshield).

Most people won't notice it, but I have carpal tunnel syndrome in my wrists....and on trips where I ride day, after day, it starts to cause me issues.

After testing every thing I thought was causing the problem, like the crown of the road, loose spokes, etc., I finally took the bike to the dealer. They confirmed the issue, and worked with Triumph to try to correct the problem (three weeks in the shop). They adjusted the front end, tightened spokes, put a new wheel on the front, etc., and could not resolve the problem.

Finally, the tech called me and told me that he took to brand new 800XC's off of the show room floor......Guess what???? HE SAID THAT BOTH OF THE NEW BIKES DO IT TOO!!!! He said I was welcome to come down and ride them as well to confirm.

I finally figured out a bandaid solution. I put my Giant Loop Coyote soft bag on the bike......then PUT A 15 LB. BUMBELL IN THE LEFT SIDE OFF THE BAG......and guess what, the bike tracks straight with my hands off the bars!!!!!!!!!!

Next time you're out on your bike, wondering if you could test to see if your bike does the same and advise

Thanks in advance.
Do remember that paved roads are crowned in the center for water run-off, so all road surfaces will slope downward which if you drive on the right side of the road will cause the bike to slowly drift right. No road is engineered flat otherwise standing water would be a hazard. On a straight empty stretch of road you could try riding in the left lane and see if it drifts left. If that is the case it is likely just the road design. Do this at your own risk of course.

It could be the muffler too. I have a carbon LV which is fairly light, so I haven't noticed the problem.
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Old 03-28-2013, 06:01 PM   #16512
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Do remember that paved roads are crowned in the center for water run-off, so all road surfaces will slope downward which if you drive on the right side of the road will cause the bike to slowly drift right. No road is engineered flat otherwise standing water would be a hazard. On a straight empty stretch of road you could try riding in the left lane and see if it drifts left. If that is the case it is likely just the road design. Do this at your own risk of course.

It could be the muffler too. I have a carbon LV which is fairly light, so I haven't noticed the problem.
Exactly what I was going to say
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Old 03-28-2013, 06:04 PM   #16513
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Hello Inmates,

Wanted to check and see if this is a common/inherant design issue with the 800XC.

Basically, if you take your hands off the bars while going straight down the road.......the bike will pull to the right. It's very subtle to correct....but basically, I have to continuously counter steer the bike to keep it going straight. The only other way to make the bike go straight (without hands on the bars), is to lean my body off to the left of the bike (i.e., like I'm looking around the left side of the windshield).

Most people won't notice it, but I have carpal tunnel syndrome in my wrists....and on trips where I ride day, after day, it starts to cause me issues.

After testing every thing I thought was causing the problem, like the crown of the road, loose spokes, etc., I finally took the bike to the dealer. They confirmed the issue, and worked with Triumph to try to correct the problem (three weeks in the shop). They adjusted the front end, tightened spokes, put a new wheel on the front, etc., and could not resolve the problem.

Finally, the tech called me and told me that he took to brand new 800XC's off of the show room floor......Guess what???? HE SAID THAT BOTH OF THE NEW BIKES DO IT TOO!!!! He said I was welcome to come down and ride them as well to confirm.

I finally figured out a bandaid solution. I put my Giant Loop Coyote soft bag on the bike......then PUT A 15 LB. BUMBELL IN THE LEFT SIDE OFF THE BAG......and guess what, the bike tracks straight with my hands off the bars!!!!!!!!!!

Next time you're out on your bike, wondering if you could test to see if your bike does the same and advise

Thanks in advance.
Thanks for the feedback.

Unfortunately, I've ridden on the opposite side of the road (which should cause me to drift left)....but the bike is either balanced (if the camber is steep enough) or if the camber is slight.....it will actually pull to the right (up hill!). I've adjusted the rear axle/chain...still pulls right. The dealer tried the above....readjusted everything and it stills pull to the right. They even put a new front wheel on to test/verify the spokes/hub alignment.....still pulls to the right.

The next step was for them to swap front ends. This would verify that it's either the front end or the frame. They were going to do this, until they pulled the two new units off the floor, and they did the same thing.

I'm pretty sure it's a design issue (i.e., the weight of the big can coupled with the extremely steep rake of the front end). Like I said, it's very slight.....and most people, without carpal tunnel issues, on day rides.....wouldn't even notice the issue.

Oh well, at least I have a fix.....hang 15lbs on the left side of the bike (or less, if I install a lighter weight exhaust). My plan is to mount a tool tube on the left side of the bike (I always carry these tools, pump, parts, etc. anyway) and this should balance the bike.

It's just kind of a bummer that I have to do this............ Subsequent to this noticing this, I've taken my DR650 and WR250R on the same roads....taken my hands off the bars, and the bikes track straight as an arrow.

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Old 03-28-2013, 06:53 PM   #16514
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Anyone know the stock size orange indicator bulb for the 800? Can I get it at any auto parts store, or maybe a BMW dealer (closer than the Triumph dealer)?
FYI, if anyone is interested, it's an Osram 5009 Amber, and the BMW dealer does have them. They don't seem to be able to look them up by bulb number, but there was a G650GS on the floor that had the exact same indicators, so the guy was able to look it up by the parts diagram for that.
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Old 03-28-2013, 07:13 PM   #16515
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Thanks for the feedback.

Unfortunately, I've ridden on the opposite side of the road (which should cause me to drift left)....but the bike is either balanced (if the camber is steep enough) or if the camber is slight.....it will actually pull to the right (up hill!). I've adjusted the rear axle/chain...still pulls right. The dealer tried the above....readjusted everything and it stills pull to the right. They even put a new front wheel on to test/verify the spokes/hub alignment.....still pulls to the right.

The next step was for them to swap front ends. This would verify that it's either the front end or the frame. They were going to do this, until they pulled the two new units off the floor, and they did the same thing.

I'm pretty sure it's a design issue (i.e., the weight of the big can coupled with the extremely steep rake of the front end). Like I said, it's very slight.....and most people, without carpal tunnel issues, on day rides.....wouldn't even notice the issue.

Oh well, at least I have a fix.....hang 15lbs on the left side of the bike (or less, if I install a lighter weight exhaust). My plan is to mount a tool tube on the left side of the bike (I always carry these tools, pump, parts, etc. anyway) and this should balance the bike.

It's just kind of a bummer that I have to do this............ Subsequent to this noticing this, I've taken my DR650 and WR250R on the same roads....taken my hands off the bars, and the bikes track straight as an arrow.
Sounds like you've done all you can do... I guess aftermarket hard luggage hanging even further out from the bike on the right side would exacerbate the problem.
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