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Old 05-19-2013, 10:45 AM   #17056
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Can't find Tires? Tiger XC

Hey anyone out there having trouble finding tires? I have the Heidenau K60 now and looking for a new set. Every place I look they only sell tube less not tubed tires? Can you put a tube in them? Please HELP or tell me where I can find them?

This is what I have and want again.....
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Old 05-19-2013, 02:54 PM   #17057
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They are tubeless tires but your rim needs the tube (because of the spokes attaching through the rim). Just get the tires, get a tube for the size and you're good.
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Old 05-19-2013, 04:27 PM   #17058
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They are tubeless tires but your rim needs the tube (because of the spokes attaching through the rim). Just get the tires, get a tube for the size and you're good.
And run less air pressure because the tube in the tubeless tire creates more heat...at least that is what I do....
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Old 05-19-2013, 04:53 PM   #17059
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And run less air pressure because the tube in the tubeless tire creates more heat...at least that is what I do....
Less air pressure is going to cause more heat due to increased flexing. Just run the recommended pressure, tube or no tube.
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Old 05-20-2013, 12:57 AM   #17060
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Less air pressure is going to cause more heat due to increased flexing. Just run the recommended pressure, tube or no tube.
I agree about less pressure = more heat but, no, these Heidenau K60 need less pressure. Otherwise they feel skittish with no grip. I run 30~36psi (std = 42) in the rear for tarmac, depending on load and down to 20 in the dirt.
The rear rim is a tubeless fit rim and requires a tubeless type tyre. I think Triumph did that to prevent the tyre spinning on the rim with it trying to lay down 90bhp. Otherwise we'd need a tyre clamp which would upset the wheel balance enormously.
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Old 05-20-2013, 06:15 AM   #17061
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The rear rim is a tubeless fit rim and requires a tubeless type tyre. I think Triumph did that to prevent the tyre spinning on the rim with it trying to lay down 90bhp. Otherwise we'd need a tyre clamp which would upset the wheel balance enormously.
Not true. In fact, my XC came from the factory with a tube-type 150/70-17 Battlewing on the back, despite the fact that the tubeless Battlewing in that size is a lot more common.

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Old 05-21-2013, 01:46 AM   #17062
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Not true. In fact, my XC came from the factory with a tube-type 150/70-17 Battlewing on the back, despite the fact that the tubeless Battlewing in that size is a lot more common.

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Regardless of the tyre it's still a tubeless fit though. That's why you need a bead breaker to get it off.
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Old 05-21-2013, 06:21 AM   #17063
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Seems to me Mefo and Heidi require about 35lbs (or more), always. Or they breakdown and delaminate. Early on there were a lot of them that split and threw tread/knobs. Lower pressure is fine for sand/mud offroad for lower speeds.

I can't be sure if the rims on the tiger are designed with a tubeless bead or not, but I have my doubts since they have a LOT of holes in them (for spokes) and would never hold air without a tube. That said, it doesn't matter if you run tube or tubeless if you're putting a tube in. I'm pretty sure they don't because Woody's wheels were consulted on the tubeless conversion of them and I guess a tubeless 21" rim is moreorless nonexistent. Can't be sure about the rear, but I'm pretty sure they're not.

In any case, low pressure (under 35lbs) on a loaded big bike at high speed is a really bad idea. Can cook the tires right off.

As far as breaking the bead, I'm not clear if the difficulty is due to tubless design or just the size of the tire/rim combo. But yeah, bike on centerstand, side stand to break the bead - they're really on there.


On another note, seems every time I stop when out on the bike, or any time motorists are around, I get comments on the bike. Have never really experienced anything like this. I mean, it's every time now, somebody wants to talk about the bike. Maybe it's me - the old gray-haired guy and the high-tech motorcycle. And they are usually older guys as well. None of them can believe it's a Triumph - "I never knew Triumph made a bike like that" is what I usually hear. Nope, it's a brand new design. Everybody remembers the old Triumphs I guess. Most ask if it's 'some kind of adventure bike'. Yep.
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Old 05-21-2013, 06:48 AM   #17064
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On another note, seems every time I stop when out on the bike, or any time motorists are around, I get comments on the bike. Have never really experienced anything like this. I mean, it's every time now, somebody wants to talk about the bike. Maybe it's me - the old gray-haired guy and the high-tech motorcycle. And they are usually older guys as well. None of them can believe it's a Triumph - "I never knew Triumph made a bike like that" is what I usually hear. Nope, it's a brand new design. Everybody remembers the old Triumphs I guess. Most ask if it's 'some kind of adventure bike'. Yep.
I get the same thing. I had an old hot rodder get down on his knees and take a closer look at the engine, the other night. I don't know what he was wondering about, as I was inside a restaurant. But, I do like that people are interested in the Triumph brand.
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Old 05-21-2013, 07:13 AM   #17065
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I get the same thing. I had an old hot rodder get down on his knees and take a closer look at the engine, the other night. I don't know what he was wondering about, as I was inside a restaurant. But, I do like that people are interested in the Triumph brand.
Most people say "wow, nice bike, why's it so dirty"
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Old 05-21-2013, 07:47 AM   #17066
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Anyone notice unusual tire wear? My front OEM Battlewing is completely worn out, past the wear bars worn out, while the rear looks like new? 13,000kms on them. I usually go through 1 1/2 to 2 rears on my DR650, and I used to pretty much wear out a front and rear at the same time on my street only CBF1000.

Bikes been on a trip down the Oregon coast, then mostly commuting bt my commute is 50 kms down then back up a twisty mountain rd. I'm wondering if the front is toast because its a skinny little 21" doing all that downhill braking cornering etc. Other weird bit is that it's more worn on the right side than the left. We typically wear out the left side of our tires first here in North America due to longer left lane turns, road crown etc.

Just curious if anyone else has noticed this.
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Regardless of the tyre it's still a tubeless fit though. That's why you need a bead breaker to get it off.
That may be, but a tube-type tire still works fine on it. And definitely still needs a bead breaker to get it off.

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Anyone notice unusual tire wear? My front OEM Battlewing is completely worn out, past the wear bars worn out, while the rear looks like new? 13,000kms on them.
You're not the first to have mentioned the front tire wearing out unexpectedly quickly. Must have something to do with riding style though. What's interesting is that your rear tire has lasted so well.

I can get about that same mileage out of a rear Battlewing, but by that time the tire's finished, center tread pretty much gone. In fact, I just switched out a set with about that mileage last month. The front was still in okay shape, though if I were mounting Battlewings again I'd probably replace it.

Out of curiosity, how do you typically ride -- lots of front braking to slow down with the clutch disengaged, or do you primarily downshift and engine brake to slow? Because obviously if you're heavy on the front brake, the tire will wear faster. I'm a minimal braker, do most of my speed control through shifting and engine braking, so maybe that accounts for my better front-tire wear.

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Old 05-21-2013, 08:29 AM   #17068
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That may be, but a tube-type tire still works fine on it. And definitely still needs a bead breaker to get it off.



You're not the first to have mentioned the front tire wearing out unexpectedly quickly. Must have something to do with riding style though. What's interesting is that your rear tire has lasted so well.

I can get about that same mileage out of a rear Battlewing, but by that time the tire's finished, center tread pretty much gone. In fact, I just switched out a set with about that mileage last month. The front was still in okay shape, though if I were mounting Battlewings again I'd probably replace it.

Out of curiosity, how do you typically ride -- lots of front braking to slow down with the clutch disengaged, or do you primarily downshift and engine brake to slow? Because obviously if you're heavy on the front brake, the tire will wear faster. I'm a minimal braker, do most of my speed control through shifting and engine braking, so maybe that accounts for my better front-tire wear.

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Too fast. I wouldn't say I'm a heavy front braker and like to use both brakes but I do like to "race" into a corner on the brakes, while down shifting. Conversely my wife rides like you do and rarely uses her brakes. I haven't had to replace brake pads on any of her bikes.

Could be that this is my commute into town as well...



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Old 05-21-2013, 08:53 AM   #17069
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13000km's to wear out a tire is certainly not excessive. I'm lucky to get 10K km's on any tire (6K miles). The scorp trails will be toast by then, front and rear. The Fullbores lucky to get 8K km's.
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Old 05-21-2013, 09:53 AM   #17070
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13000km's to wear out a tire is certainly not excessive. I'm lucky to get 10K km's on any tire (6K miles). The scorp trails will be toast by then, front and rear. The Fullbores lucky to get 8K km's.
It's not the kms, I'm happy with that, it's just weird to wear out a front before a rear. I'm not easy on the throttle either.
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