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Old 06-30-2013, 09:16 AM   #17506
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New 2012 Tiger & Sand in the Face

So I got a new to me Tiger 800 XC this weekend, 12k miles and what looks like the original Battlewings. Took it out this morning for a 3 hour ride and really like it. I also have a Honda CRF250L so the difference in power is very pronounced :)

One problem I quickly ran into though happened on a sandy dirt road, I'm in Florida. I've read this whole thread, and just about every other thread on the Tiger and have never once seen this mentioned, so not sure what the deal is. But, on this dirt road I noticed little bits of sand 'floating' up from under the front of the tank, through the area where the forks come up. At first I though 'oh cool' because it reminded me of one of those popcorn poppers that float the kernels in the air, I could actually see the sand floating in front of me... but it quickly turned to 'oh crap', I'm getting pelted in the face and neck by this stuff!

It was very uncomfortable, has anyone else experienced this? The bike had a Laminar Lip on it but I removed it right away and it was not present on this trip. It has the touring screen and I have that adjusted all the way forward. The bike also has the front fender extender. I wear an open face helmet so this may have been making things worse, my face and neck got it bad. I can still feel it around my cheeks and ears as I type this!


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Old 06-30-2013, 09:35 AM   #17507
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One problem I quickly ran into though happened on a sandy dirt road, I'm in Florida.

I noticed little bits of sand 'floating' up from under the front of the tank, through the are where the forks come up.
Try it with a front "Fender Extender". Unfortunately fashion dictates the the front mudguard/fender is too short on most bikes.
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Old 06-30-2013, 10:21 AM   #17508
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Try it with a front "Fender Extender". Unfortunately fashion dictates the the front mudguard/fender is too short on most bikes.
Already on there...

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Old 06-30-2013, 12:45 PM   #17509
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Sorry, never had that happen and have spent a fair amount of time on sandy/gravel roads. I was going to suggest the fender extender as well, but you already have one. Maybe tires? I've run the OEM Battlewings and TKC80s but neither have thrown up crap into the cockpit.

Might just be that road surface as well. My wife and I were just on a dual sport ride this past weekend and spent 4 days riding lots of great forestry/gravel roads. My wife was the first to notice it, she mentioned at one stop that she thought something was wrong with her bike, the front felt so loose, it was wandering all over the place. Bottom line was whatever that county used to surface their gravel roads was like riding on marbles, the bike would wander from side to side, tilting and basically just on the verge of being totally out of control.

Rode some gravel roads back at home and both bikes are back to normal, sure they still wander around but nothing like we experienced.

Try some local different roads and see if it repeats. Good luck, and get a full face or dual sport helmet.
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Old 06-30-2013, 12:57 PM   #17510
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Sand does spray up at around 35mph. I use a tankbag & a full face helmet. It doesn't bother me anymore. You can get goggles & keep your mouth shut.
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Old 07-01-2013, 03:58 AM   #17511
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Already on there...

You know, looking at that photo, I wonder if those particles are coming out the front of the guard and catching the oncoming wind which then takes them up and into your face. Maybe we need an upper extender?
Could be that those particular size of particle is being picked up by the Battlewings. Maybe a change of tyre will solve it.
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Old 07-01-2013, 07:26 AM   #17512
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You know, looking at that photo, I wonder if those particles are coming out the front of the guard and catching the oncoming wind which then takes them up and into your face.
No it's definitely coming up from under the tank, I can see it coming up out of there. I've got some new tires on order so I'm also hoping that will help, if not I was thinking I could put some kind of flexible material down in there to block it. If that doesn't work I'm not sure what to do, it's kind of a big deal for me and I'm a little disappointed. I did notice someone in the UK forum talking about it also, but didn't see a resolution.
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Old 07-01-2013, 07:44 AM   #17513
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So I got a new to me Tiger 800 XC this weekend, 12k miles and what looks like the original Battlewings. Took it out this morning for a 3 hour ride and really like it. I also have a Honda CRF250L so the difference in power is very pronounced :)

One problem I quickly ran into though happened on a sandy dirt road, I'm in Florida. I've read this whole thread, and just about every other thread on the Tiger and have never once seen this mentioned, so not sure what the deal is. But, on this dirt road I noticed little bits of sand 'floating' up from under the front of the tank, through the area where the forks come up. At first I though 'oh cool' because it reminded me of one of those popcorn poppers that float the kernels in the air, I could actually see the sand floating in front of me... but it quickly turned to 'oh crap', I'm getting pelted in the face and neck by this stuff!

It was very uncomfortable, has anyone else experienced this? The bike had a Laminar Lip on it but I removed it right away and it was not present on this trip. It has the touring screen and I have that adjusted all the way forward. The bike also has the front fender extender. I wear an open face helmet so this may have been making things worse, my face and neck got it bad. I can still feel it around my cheeks and ears as I type this!
Congrats. 250 to 800...not bad eh?

I noticed sand particles kicking up in front of the headlight and into my face on one road, at night, when I first got the bike. Certain roads and surface moisture at certain speeds will kick up some sand. Any bike will do this. Speed up or slow down, move to the left or right of the wear spot in the road, drop your shield. Easy-peasy...ride on.
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Old 07-01-2013, 07:51 AM   #17514
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I've never noticed anything kicking up through the forks on my 800, but I do wear a FF helmet (and no tank bag). I also have had the beak installed on my 800 since new (and have had the front fender extender for a while). Are you guys that are getting this effect running w/ the beak?

Edit - Just saw that bdolnik has the XC, which would obviously have the beak...
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Old 07-01-2013, 08:15 AM   #17515
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No it's definitely coming up from under the tank, I can see it coming up out of there. I've got some new tires on order so I'm also hoping that will help, if not I was thinking I could put some kind of flexible material down in there to block it. If that doesn't work I'm not sure what to do, it's kind of a big deal for me and I'm a little disappointed. I did notice someone in the UK forum talking about it also, but didn't see a resolution.
All my wind issues, on my 1050, come up through that same area. I'd seen where someone with a big DS bike fashioned a blocker out of plastic. My opening is so irregular, compared to the fork sweep, I can't come up with anything. The best I can think of is a piece of rubber roofing, somehow attached, with the forks inserted through slits. There's more turbulence coming up through there, than from the windshield, on my bike.

This problem definitely exists.
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Old 07-01-2013, 08:21 AM   #17516
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I've never noticed anything kicking up through the forks on my 800
Yea, like I said I've read hundreds (maybe thousands) of posts on the Tiger and not seen any mention of it (other than recently hunting up that post on the UK forums). That's why I was so surprised by it. I know guys are saying get a full face helmet and all but I don't think that would solve my problem, because it was VERY apparent a LOT of sand was coming up... I could readily see the sand floating out of that area between the tank and forks, so even with a full face ones neck would get blasted by it as mine did. The original battlewings are almost bald so I'm hoping that might be it. I'll just have to stay on the road until my new tires get here.
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Old 07-01-2013, 08:22 AM   #17517
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... The best I can think of is a piece of rubber roofing, somehow attached, with the forks inserted through slits. ....
I was thinking some type of gasket material would do the trick?
http://www.acehardware.com/product/i...629690.1258971

My thought - take a square, cut out 2 holes for the forks, then cut a straight line from each hole to the edge. On either side of the cuts, punch a hole. This will let you wiggle it down in there w/o taking the forks apart. Lay it down in there, zip tie the 2 cuts back together, then punch a couple more holes and zip tie the whole thing down to the frame just below the triple clamp so it doesn't fly up.
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Old 07-01-2013, 08:54 AM   #17518
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So I got a new to me Tiger 800 XC this weekend, 12k miles and what looks like the original Battlewings. Took it out this morning for a 3 hour ride and really like it. I also have a Honda CRF250L so the difference in power is very pronounced :)

One problem I quickly ran into though happened on a sandy dirt road, I'm in Florida. I've read this whole thread, and just about every other thread on the Tiger and have never once seen this mentioned, so not sure what the deal is. But, on this dirt road I noticed little bits of sand 'floating' up from under the front of the tank, through the area where the forks come up. At first I though 'oh cool' because it reminded me of one of those popcorn poppers that float the kernels in the air, I could actually see the sand floating in front of me... but it quickly turned to 'oh crap', I'm getting pelted in the face and neck by this stuff!

It was very uncomfortable, has anyone else experienced this? The bike had a Laminar Lip on it but I removed it right away and it was not present on this trip. It has the touring screen and I have that adjusted all the way forward. The bike also has the front fender extender. I wear an open face helmet so this may have been making things worse, my face and neck got it bad. I can still feel it around my cheeks and ears as I type this!
I just looked at the pic, not sure but it seems if you have fine sand and that screen on, you might actually be sucking it up if you're going fast enough and there's the right combination of light sand and speed and tyre kicking it up...

I would try angling the screen down and/or removing it if you're going into an extra gritty area like a beach etc., based on your story and that pic.

I have the stock screen with the adjuster kit but I rarely go on sand and when I do it's more of a temporary thing, like 100 metres of it till I get to the other side type of thing. I do go pretty fast but I'm no racer, just fast enough so the front stays light, which is an ever increasing speed but not "wind tunnel" speed.

I can say I've had my tiger all over all sorts of stuff and never, ever had shit blow up to my face from the front, which makes me think, "what's different" on your bike and that mega screen sticks out for me.

Anyhow, my $.02.


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Old 07-01-2013, 10:03 AM   #17519
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My thought - take a square, cut out 2 holes for the forks, then cut a straight line from each hole to the edge. On either side of the cuts, punch a hole. This will let you wiggle it down in there w/o taking the forks apart. Lay it down in there, zip tie the 2 cuts back together, then punch a couple more holes and zip tie the whole thing down to the frame just below the triple clamp so it doesn't fly up.
Thanks I was thinking something similar, these are great ideas can't thank you guys enough for chiming in.

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I can say I've had my tiger all over all sorts of stuff and never, ever had shit blow up to my face from the front, which makes me think, "what's different" on your bike and that mega screen sticks out for me.
That thing on top of the shield is a Laminar Lip I guess. It was not on at the time I experienced the sand, it was one of the first things I took off :) Other than that, it's just the standard touring screen. I also think it's some kind of suction or venturi type affect, because the sand seems to just come up and hover in that area before being blown into my face and chest.

Also, the road I was on was not our typical 'sand trail' here in Florida. It wasn't deep sand at all, just a dirt road with a slightly damp, fine sand over the top of it. I've raced motocross, ridden a ton of smaller dual sports, and don't mind getting dirty, but this was not like that. I was riding by myself, not following anyone... and it was like being sandblasted. This is the helmet I'm using and even after putting down the large clear face shield it was still very uncomfortable with the fine sand hitting my neck and chin.

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Old 07-01-2013, 10:53 AM   #17520
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I get sand blast no matter what tires I'm using. Obviously, knobbies are worse. If you hate tankbags, then put a rag there & experiment. It's not a big deal because you should protect your face anyway. My cousin wore an open face helmet. Now he has titanium eyeball sockets & looks like a Neanderthal
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