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Old 11-12-2010, 03:49 PM   #2011
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I have read this entire forum as well as others and not one posting has discussed anything to do with ground clearance. I had a good look at that ergonomic site and compared pics of the XC with the F800 and there appears to be a significant difference in the ground clearance. From the pics it appears to be a good 2" or more. In that French review they mentioned the ground clearance being a concern and referred to the pegs grinding on the corners.

Anybody else concerned about ground clearance? If its designed to be used off-road thats a pretty important specification.
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Old 11-12-2010, 04:51 PM   #2012
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I am a big triumph fan but 12k for the offroad 800 with abs is probably too much unless reviews are really stellar. I think triumphs are great bikes but suffer a little on the build quality sometimes and depreciation.
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Old 11-12-2010, 05:02 PM   #2013
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Ground clearance is a huge factor when evaluating an off road machine. So is horsepower and the Triumph has 30 more than the BMW. That is very significant imo.
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Old 11-12-2010, 05:12 PM   #2014
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Ground clearance is a huge factor when evaluating an off road machine. So is horsepower and the Triumph has 30 more than the BMW. That is very significant imo.

Where are your numbers from? The street version is about 23 difference, based on factory info, not so much difference in the off road versions.
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Old 11-12-2010, 05:58 PM   #2015
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Well, I was hoping for a bigger price spread than that. The BMW dealers around here bring in their GS800's with the standard package, which includes ABS, computer and heated grips. That makes them $12,900 plus the $495 BMW freight/setup or $13,395. You can maybe haggle $500 off of that.

The Tiger 800 XC with ABS would be comparable to that and it would be $11,799 plus most dealers are going to stick you for $500 freight and setup - especially on a high demand new model. So, the Triumph ends up being about a grand cheaper at MSRP. I was hoping for $2k difference. At $2k difference, I think they would eat BMW's lunch - at $1k, I'm not so sure. It'll depend on how the Triumph checks out.
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Old 11-12-2010, 06:31 PM   #2016
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Well, I was hoping for a bigger price spread than that. The BMW dealers around here bring in their GS800's with the standard package, which includes ABS, computer and heated grips. That makes them $12,900 plus the $495 BMW freight/setup or $13,395. You can maybe haggle $500 off of that.

The Tiger 800 XC with ABS would be comparable to that and it would be $11,799 plus most dealers are going to stick you for $500 freight and setup - especially on a high demand new model. So, the Triumph ends up being about a grand cheaper at MSRP. I was hoping for $2k difference. At $2k difference, I think they would eat BMW's lunch - at $1k, I'm not so sure. It'll depend on how the Triumph checks out.
Triumph US freight is $450, regardless of model. Doc fees, etc. are up to the dealer.
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Old 11-12-2010, 06:45 PM   #2017
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Where are your numbers from? The street version is about 23 difference, based on factory info, not so much difference in the off road versions.
No dyno numbers for either new Tiger yet.
MCN dyno tested both GS's :

F800GS (RWHP) 73 HP / 51 ft. lbs. torque

F650GS (RWHP) 63 HP / 50 ft. lbs. torque

Triumph claim 95 HP for the new Tiger 800. My guess is RWHP will come in about 89 HP. So maybe a 16 HP difference? That is a LOT. Next question will be true weight.
The BMW F800GS weighs 490 lbs. wet. (MCN) I'm betting the Tiger will come in at least 20 lbs. lighter than that. YMMV.

Funny, Triumph's claimed HP figures are closer than many other bikes ... including BMW. With my Tiger 1050 Triumph claim 115 HP. It dyno'ed at 105 HP. Not bad.

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Old 11-12-2010, 07:27 PM   #2018
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Back to the Tiger 800s. They are both now on the motorcycle ergonomics page which will allow you to compare them to your current motorcycle. I was surprised to find that the XC has substantially more legroom than my current Tiger 1050.

http://cycle-ergo.com/
Excellent link...thanks for posting it.

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Old 11-12-2010, 08:13 PM   #2019
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No dyno numbers for either new Tiger yet.
MCN dyno tested both GS's :

F800GS (RWHP) 73 HP / 51 ft. lbs. torque

F650GS (RWHP) 63 HP / 50 ft. lbs. torque

Triumph claim 95 HP for the new Tiger 800. My guess is RWHP will come in about 89 HP. So maybe a 16 HP difference? That is a LOT. Next question will be true weight.
The BMW F800GS weighs 490 lbs. wet. (MCN) I'm betting the Tiger will come in at least 20 lbs. lighter than that. YMMV.

Funny, Triumph's claimed HP figures are closer than many other bikes ... including BMW. With my Tiger 1050 Triumph claim 115 HP. It dyno'ed at 105 HP. Not bad.
I hear the Tiger is 20 lbs heavier... And probably has a higher center of gravity as well.

And HP may not be as relevant as Torque is for an off-road and adventure machine.
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Old 11-12-2010, 08:19 PM   #2020
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[quote=Lion BR]I hear the Tiger is 20 lbs heavier... And probably has a higher center of gravity as well.

I doubt the center of gravity is higher. See my earlier post... the Triumph's motor is about 2" closer to the ground because the ground clearance is about 2" less disappointingly. :(
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Old 11-12-2010, 08:25 PM   #2021
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I hear the Tiger is 20 lbs heavier... And probably has a higher center of gravity as well.

I doubt the center of gravity is higher. See my earlier post... the Triumph's motor is about 2" closer to the ground because the ground clearance is about 2" less disappointingly. :(
How you you getting 2" less ground clearance from that cycle-ergo site?
Not saying your wrong, just wondering how you are getting that info from it?
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Old 11-12-2010, 08:29 PM   #2022
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From doing some measurements using ratio's on some of the bikes on that ergo website it appears that the following ground clearances apply;

KTM 990 - 10.3 inches
BMW F800GS - 9.5 inches
Triumph XC 800 - approx 8.25 inches
Triumph 800 - approx 7 inches

Those ground clearances are pretty pathetic for a bike that claims off road ability. Heck, even a little XR100 has 10 inches of ground clearance.

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Old 11-12-2010, 08:32 PM   #2023
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How you you getting 2" less ground clearance from that cycle-ergo site?
Not saying your wrong, just wondering how you are getting that info from it?
If you take the known seat height of the different bikes and using a caliper you can take the ratios of ground clearance to seat height and apply that to arrive at the actual ground clearance from the pictures of the bikes
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Old 11-12-2010, 08:40 PM   #2024
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Old 11-12-2010, 08:45 PM   #2025
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If you take the known seat height of the different bikes and using a caliper you can take the ratios of ground clearance to seat height and apply that to arrive at the actual ground clearance from the pictures of the bikes
I think seat height is a bit of a squishy dimension. I always use rim diameters when doing those kinds of calculations, although I haven't done it for these bikes.
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