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Old 07-27-2011, 01:02 PM   #7486
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We've seen two figures quoted on elec. output, I believe the consensus is
545 watts output. More than enough.


I stopped in Boise last year to get a Tire on my Tiger 1050. So sorry to hear they lost Triumph. Really nice folks there. Hope Boise gets another dealer soon.
Yet another victim of Internet misinformation. Either way, it's more than the f800 and way more than my klr!
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Old 07-27-2011, 01:03 PM   #7487
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Well as much as I fell in love with this bike back in April when I saw them in person, I just bought an 06 Tiger to hold me over for now.
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Old 07-27-2011, 01:04 PM   #7488
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Yet another victim of Internet misinformation. Either way, it's more than the f800 and way more than my klr!

Motorcycle Consumer News just did a shootout between the tiger and f800 and it lists the exact output only I can't recall offhand. I do know that it is atleast a 100w more than the bemmer
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Old 07-27-2011, 03:16 PM   #7489
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Motorcycle Consumer News just did a shootout between the tiger and f800 and it lists the exact output only I can't recall offhand. I do know that it is atleast a 100w more than the bemmer
From http://www.tiger800.co.uk/index.php/...road_test.html

"Another major difference is the massive oil cooled 645W alternator. Triumph wanted the bike to be able to easily power auxiliary lighting and power sockets without complaint, so a significantly large alternator was always on their design spec. The result is that the Tiger has 60% more juice than the equivalent BMW F800GS."
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Old 07-27-2011, 04:07 PM   #7490
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Yet another victim of Internet misinformation. Either way, it's more than the f800 and way more than my klr!
Triumph UK are quoting the 645 Watt figure. At some point, others (not sure whom) were saying 545 Watts ... or close to that, IIRC. For me, I'd take the 545 Watt figure ... big generators cost Horse Power!

Anyone put their bike on a VOM?
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Old 07-27-2011, 07:29 PM   #7491
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I've got the braking clunk.

I have never done any steering column work so I would appreciate some further detail on what folks are tightening up. Can you break it down real simple like?

There's a large nicely-finished nut at the top just below the the handlebars. Is that what's being tightened?

The service manual shows a special tool required for the castellated nuts below that.



Also, I noticed something today that is new behavior since my lowside -- I'm wondering if I tweaked the forks slightly out of place.

If I let go of the bars on a clear stretch of road, oscillations develop as I hit 43 mph and worsen as I continue to decelerate.

I've never experienced that before on any bike and I'm guessing it's not normal. Will loosening the forks and making sure they're lined up before re-tightening them solve it?
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Old 07-27-2011, 07:36 PM   #7492
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Isn't all the dirt in the airbox is on the intake side, before the air filter? Flip that filter over and it sits over the half of the airbox with the snorkel, towards the bottom right in the second photo. Would have to see the other side of the filter to comment. The throttle bodies and airbox past the filter look clean to me. Some dust but nothing major. Filter's bad but looks like it did it's job no?

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Thanks for posting your results! Great to hear the bikes no longer stalling and running well. The AK shop did a nice job!

I was shocked to see the amount of dirt that had gotten by your air filter
(I think on just one bike?) and into the throttle bodies. I'm really surprised that permanent damage was not done ... that was A LOT of dirt being sucked straight into the motor. Can't be good for long term health of that bike's motor. That area should be pristine. For those who've not read your RR, here is the filter and air box from the report:



I'm disappointed that Triumph's air filters are doing such a poor job at sealing out dirt. Seems to me plenty of riders will be riding in similar conditions with heavy dust like you are doing in AK.

And here's the thing ... in your case it's pretty clear the air filter seemed to be the main source of problems ... but many stalling reports here indicate the owners have not gone off road. I would bet their air filters are clean.

In some cases dealers have tried all sorts of attempted fixes: remapping, TPS adjustments and lots more ... all to no avail at solving the stalling. In a few cases the dealers have had the bikes for WEEKS ... and have not solved the stalling problem.

Perhaps Triumph USA has (finally) come up with a "magic bullet" Tune that finally solves the issue? Maybe you guys got that Tune? For your sakes, I hope so ... and best wishes for continued smooth running.

Enjoying your ride report ... very impressive adventure!

One tip on paper air filters : Since these Tiger filters seem to clog up so quickly ....
1. I would carry a spare filter.
2. If you find a really dirt filter ... just pull it out and tap it on the edge to release some of the dirt. Then use compressed air (or vacuum it) to clean it up a bit.

I don't think its wise to try to wash a paper filter ... but careful work with compressed air/vacuum could help. Paper filters are the very worst choice for any vehicle going off road. Dirt bike racers/riders figured this out 40 years ago. An oiled foam filter is the way to go.

Another tip would be to put a small bead of waterproof grease around the rubber sealing edge of your filter before install. This may help keep dirt at bay. I did this on my DL1000 Vstrom and it helped A LOT. The Vstrom had the same problem with massive ingress of dirt past the filter. (also a useless paper filter) I rode thousands of miles in Baja and Copper Canyon, very dusty conditions.

Good luck and continued safe riding.
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Old 07-27-2011, 08:34 PM   #7493
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Isn't all the dirt in the airbox is on the intake side, before the air filter? Flip that filter over and it sits over the half of the airbox with the snorkel, towards the bottom right in the second photo. Would have to see the other side of the filter to comment. The throttle bodies and airbox past the filter look clean to me. Some dust but nothing major. Filter's bad but looks like it did it's job no?
You could be right. The ladies did not specify how much (if any) dirt got by the filter. But I know well from experience that when a paper filter is fully clogged as shown in the above pic .... at that point they typically begin to suck dirt in ...or it comes in around the edges. I hope none got in. Just sayin'. Does not look good to me.

The Throttle bodies DO look clean (left hand lower photo) but can't tell for sure, can't see the whole thing. Perhaps the TB's had already been cleaned up before the photo?
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Old 07-27-2011, 08:51 PM   #7494
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Isn't all the dirt in the airbox is on the intake side, before the air filter? Flip that filter over and it sits over the half of the airbox with the snorkel, towards the bottom right in the second photo. Would have to see the other side of the filter to comment. The throttle bodies and airbox past the filter look clean to me. Some dust but nothing major. Filter's bad but looks like it did it's job no?
Exactly. All that dirt in the box is on the intake side of the filter. As filthy as the filter is, I'm sure the bike was having a hard time breathing, but I doubt there was any damage done. The filter looks to have done it's job quite well.

Also, regarding the stalling "issue", I live just outside Dallas and today was our 26th consecutive day over 100F. If heat were a contributor here, I've had plenty of it lately. I have no stalling issues with my bike. I have stalled it twice since I bought it, and both were my fault. My other three bikes all have a little more torque just off idle than the 800, so I have forgotten a couple of times that the baby Tiger requires just a few more RPMs on take off than the bigger engines do. Just something I have to remember and not a problem with the bike.
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Old 07-27-2011, 09:26 PM   #7495
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Just checking in here. Nearly 5600 miles on my bike. No stalls, clunks, or errors. Just love this bike.

The damn stock tires won't wear out, though. Keep telling myself I'll put more aggressive tires on as soon as the stock tires wear out, but it may be next spring before that happens.
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Old 07-28-2011, 01:29 AM   #7496
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Regarding the clogged filter...why not just throw on a pre-filter? Where, I don't know yet (still waiting for my bike). An easy to clean pre-filter would just be a take off, wash off, put back on sorta thing and cheap insurance, rather than only using a last resort type filter that comes stock.
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Old 07-28-2011, 03:48 AM   #7497
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Regarding the clogged filter...why not just throw on a pre-filter? Where, I don't know yet (still waiting for my bike). An easy to clean pre-filter would just be a take off, wash off, put back on sorta thing and cheap insurance, rather than only using a last resort type filter that comes stock.
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Re alternator output, user handbook says 12v, 41.5 amp at 4000rpm.
Haven't done math to work it out, but IMO it's pretty good
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Old 07-28-2011, 06:38 AM   #7498
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Re alternator output, user handbook says 12v, 41.5 amp at 4000rpm.
Haven't done math to work it out, but IMO it's pretty good
Power = Volts * Amps

This gives us 12*41.5 = 498W

So I guess we have another figure for the alternator output
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Old 07-28-2011, 06:39 AM   #7499
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Power = Volts * Amps

This gives us 12*41.5 = 498W

So I guess we have another figure for the alternator output
Generally you're getting 14 volts out so that's 581W
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Old 07-28-2011, 06:45 AM   #7500
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Just checking in here. Nearly 5600 miles on my bike. No stalls, clunks, or errors. Just love this bike.

The damn stock tires won't wear out, though. Keep telling myself I'll put more aggressive tires on as soon as the stock tires wear out, but it may be next spring before that happens.
I finally pulled the stock tires off mine at 9000 miles; could have probably gotten another thousand miles out of them at least, but I got tired of waiting to put on something knobbier.

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