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Old 06-26-2012, 10:17 PM   #13246
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Still...which one???

Okay tiger owners...help me out here. I've read most of the 800 pages, maybe skipped a few.

I've been searching for a replacement for my Kawasaki Versys. Wife is starting to come along and it's just a bit cramped. Plus I'm a little tired of the harsh suspension and the buzziness. It's been a good bike but ready to move up. I also have a Husky TE630, so for really tough offroad adventuring I take it - it's all set up for camping off the bike, does it very well. I want a 80-90mph hiway cruise bike that will do dirt roads as well. And some light touring 2 up. Either Tiger seems to suit well.

From my shortlist I've already scratched off the GS, S10, and 990 as too big, too heavy, and too expensive, although the Tenere was first runnerup. I just think for me it's too much. I'm 55, 40 years of riding, 5-10, 175lbs. Wife and I together are about 350. Both tigers are no problem weight or height wise for me.

I test road both 800 models back to back tonight. First the roadie, then the XC. They are virtually identical in the way they ride. Initially I came to really look at the road model as I think it will do 98% of what I'll do with one.

The XC feels more plush, but also dives more and gives more of the rocking horse feeling due to the softer suspension. The roadie is no slouch either, surely superior to my versys, very nice to ride. In fact, both are extremely smooth, so much so that I was just blown away. So much more refined than my Versys, they are everything it is not. Smooth shifting, smooth riding, just a really nice bike. Rides much better than the tenere or the GS IMHO. First is a little tall, but the motor is surprisingly torquey, pulls really nicely.

So, I have to pick one or the other. My dealer says they sell XC's about 3 to 1 of the road model. I think the XC would be easier to resell. But the road model will do everything I think I would use it for, and it is a bit more taught on road, a little quicker steering, and I think it would be a little more stable for 2-up. They are very close price wise, the roadie is about a grand less, or less than 10%. The wide XC bars didn't thrill me, but the risers do help.

I have no love for tubed tires, but bent cast rims are expensive to replace. I would expect dents or flats on either to be an extremly rare occurance, so it's kind of a toss up. I would probably run Heideneau K60's on either one, or Anakee II's. The scorp trails are a great tire, I have them on my Versys too.

I still don't know which to get. Riding both didn't help, there are pro's and con's to each, both are extremely good. It almost seems there is no downside to the XC though, it will do everything the roadie will plus more. So if I want to put aggressive tires on it I can go follow my buddies with the 950/990's with their knobby tires as well.

Anyone have anything that would really sway me one way or the other? HELP!!!!

Everything is approved and ready to go. I just gotta settle on one or the other.
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Old 06-26-2012, 10:27 PM   #13247
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For me it came down to tubeless vs. tubed tires. I hate dealing with flats in tubes, therefore I went with the Roadie. Did get the XC risers ($70) and will likely spend part of the rest of the difference in upgrading the suspension.
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Old 06-27-2012, 12:27 AM   #13248
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Buy the XC. The advantage it has off road is much more than the advantage the roadie has on road. I put over 17,000 miles on my first year with the XC and it never left me wanting anything else on the interstate miles. And I LOVE LOVE LOVE it off road. Simple as that really.
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Old 06-27-2012, 03:49 AM   #13249
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Go for the 800. Spend some of what you saved on minor tweaks to the front suspension if you feel the need. XC risers do give a nicer riding position. Get BarkBusters, stop the screen wobbles and you're away on a hack.
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Old 06-27-2012, 04:14 AM   #13250
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Go for the 800. Spend some of what you saved on minor tweaks to the front suspension if you feel the need. XC risers do give a nicer riding position. Get BarkBusters, stop the screen wobbles and you're away on a hack.
Get the roadie. Plenty of people including myself have taken them off pavement. I haven't heard of a bent wheel yet. Btw spoke wheels can bend too. I hate tubes, and if you are an aggressive cornerer on pavement you will appreciate the 19" front wheel and less marshmallowy suspension. Like you said for the hard core off road stuff you already own a different bike.

I chose the roady with no regrets. Its been a fantastic bike, this coming from the perspective of a former 1150 gs, Husky, and V Strom owner.
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Old 06-27-2012, 05:10 AM   #13251
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Since you have the TE already, if it were me, I'd get the roady.
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Old 06-27-2012, 06:29 AM   #13252
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It almost seems there is no downside to the XC though, it will do everything the roadie will plus more.
Seems like you already have an answer. You might be surprised by how capable the XC is off-road.
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Old 06-27-2012, 09:29 AM   #13253
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Buy the XC. The advantage it has off road is much more than the advantage the roadie has on road. I put over 17,000 miles on my first year with the XC and it never left me wanting anything else on the interstate miles. And I LOVE LOVE LOVE it off road. Simple as that really.
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Except I only did 12000 miles in my first year.
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Old 06-27-2012, 11:10 AM   #13254
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I just went through the same decision process. My background was dirt as a kid and years of supersport road. I'm 44 and have started a bunch of touring and was trying to decide between the two, X/C or Roadie. I will say I was bound and determined to get the X/C when I started the looking.

I had a great test drive of both bikes on the same day. I found the same as you described between the handling but also the X/C did not like fast entries into the corners. The 21" front tire definitely will be better off-road but on the pavement, the 19" on the Roadie has a much better feel and is more predictable.

I would base your decision on what kind of riding you came from and what you intend to do. Be practical. I wanted the X/C but the reality is that most of my riding will be on some sort of pavement and the Roadie is much better suited for that. The Roadie is completely capable of off-road, yes, not to the degree of the X/C, but if I want to do that much hard core off-road, I'll go back to my DR650.

You can't go wrong with either and if you really are taken by the look of the X/C, the beak is a cheap add. I bought the Roadie, added the beak and couldn't be happier. Truly one of the best all around bikes I have ever owned.

Good luck!
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Old 06-27-2012, 11:16 AM   #13255
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I just went through the same decision process. My background was dirt as a kid and years of supersport road. I'm 44 and have started a bunch of touring and was trying to decide between the two, X/C or Roadie. I will say I was bound and determined to get the X/C when I started the looking.

I had a great test drive of both bikes on the same day. I found the same as you described between the handling but also the X/C did not like fast entries into the corners. The 21" front tire definitely will be better off-road but on the pavement, the 19" on the Roadie has a much better feel and is more predictable.

I would base your decision on what kind of riding you came from and what you intend to do. Be practical. I wanted the X/C but the reality is that most of my riding will be on some sort of pavement and the Roadie is much better suited for that. The Roadie is completely capable of off-road, yes, not to the degree of the X/C, but if I want to do that much hard core off-road, I'll go back to my DR650.

You can't go wrong with either and if you really are taken by the look of the X/C, the beak is a cheap add. I bought the Roadie, added the beak and couldn't be happier. Truly one of the best all around bikes I have ever owned.

Good luck!
Good thoughts here. We sound similar as I also have the TE630 for real dualsporting. I'm really buying a roadbike, so that's why I initially was focused on the roadie. I did notice the handling difference, the roadie is definitely a little sharper and was just as plush on the road. I worry about 2-up on the XC, with gear, wallowing in the sweepers. Wifey is unnerved enough without creating s-weaves in the corners.

From what part of the country are you?

EDIT: oh yeah, not particularly enamored by the XC looks. From the cockpit they both look the same. The XC has a little more aggressive look to it with the big front tire, the black rims, and the taller suspension. The beak? I could care less - it just looks like a BMW knock-off to me. LOL.
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Old 06-27-2012, 12:01 PM   #13256
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Okay tiger owners...help me out here. I've read most of the 800 pages, maybe skipped a few.
Chris, if you recall I also came from a versys.

I bought a 2011 demo roadie in January this year after deciding to sell my 07 cbr600 and my versys to go to one bike.

Two up the wife says its was smoother than the Versys. I am 150lbs she is 110lbs. The front suspension feels better with her on it. From what i have read, quite a few in my weight range find the forks a bit harsh. Me included. However people that weigh more seem more happy with it.

The XC is certainly capable of rougher roads than the roadie.

I choose the roadie because like others didn't want tubed tires and also I didn't want to pay the extra price. Over the last few months I have been more and more interested in riding rougher stuff. To the point where I had started to contemplate trading to an XC. Then I thought about it more and for me, realized if I was going to be riding stuff beyond dirt roads I'd rather not be doing it on a 500lb bike. Also, in BFE I felt like I'd trust something else a bit more. So, when the time is right I'll be picking up a used 08+ WR250R.

I've had no problems with my roadie and as you've noticed, the engine is smooth as hell. A welcome characteristic after the versys (which is still a great bike). The gearbox is great as well. Much better brakes than the versys also.

After 38 fill ups my avg. mpg for the versys was 58.7mpg. At 21 fill ups on the tiger I am at 55.1. Both better than most will see.

XC or Roadie I think you'll be happy. It's a great motorcycle.
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Old 06-27-2012, 01:23 PM   #13257
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The front suspension feels better with her on it. From what i have read, quite a few in my weight range find the forks a bit harsh. Me included.
From what I found out at a suspension shop (was there for a check, haven't done anything about it yet) the spring is actually not too bad for my weight (155lbs before gear or so), but the damping is waaaay to slow. Very harsh.

I'll have the front re-done at some point in time, though I'm undecided whether I wait for some of the larger companies to provide solutions or whether I have a small shop do it for my weight with a re-valve and possibly a progressive spring.
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From what I found out at a suspension shop (was there for a check, haven't done anything about it yet) the spring is actually not too bad for my weight (155lbs before gear or so), but the damping is waaaay to slow. Very harsh.

I'll have the front re-done at some point in time, though I'm undecided whether I wait for some of the larger companies to provide solutions or whether I have a small shop do it for my weight with a re-valve and possibly a progressive spring.
sasquatch (sp?) suspensions will do a revalve and re-spring for a reasonable price. I may do this later in the summer. I think it was around $350? Call them and check. They are in ID or OR I believe.
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sasquatch (sp?) suspensions will do a revalve and re-spring for a reasonable price. I may do this later in the summer. I think it was around $350? Call them and check. They are in ID or OR I believe.
It's around what I was quoted by a local shop, too. The nice thing there is that I can just drop off the whole bike and have them do it.
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Old 06-27-2012, 03:22 PM   #13260
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Chris, if you recall I also came from a versys.

I bought a 2011 demo roadie in January this year after deciding to sell my 07 cbr600 and my versys to go to one bike.

Two up the wife says its was smoother than the Versys. I am 150lbs she is 110lbs. The front suspension feels better with her on it. From what i have read, quite a few in my weight range find the forks a bit harsh. Me included. However people that weigh more seem more happy with it.

The XC is certainly capable of rougher roads than the roadie.

I choose the roadie because like others didn't want tubed tires and also I didn't want to pay the extra price. Over the last few months I have been more and more interested in riding rougher stuff. To the point where I had started to contemplate trading to an XC. Then I thought about it more and for me, realized if I was going to be riding stuff beyond dirt roads I'd rather not be doing it on a 500lb bike. Also, in BFE I felt like I'd trust something else a bit more. So, when the time is right I'll be picking up a used 08+ WR250R.

I've had no problems with my roadie and as you've noticed, the engine is smooth as hell. A welcome characteristic after the versys (which is still a great bike). The gearbox is great as well. Much better brakes than the versys also.

After 38 fill ups my avg. mpg for the versys was 58.7mpg. At 21 fill ups on the tiger I am at 55.1. Both better than most will see.

XC or Roadie I think you'll be happy. It's a great motorcycle.
Hey, another versys convert!

I'm leaning toward the roadie mainly because I already have a great dualsport adventure bike.

Here's a question that maybe the rest would definitely point me to one model or the other. On road I like to travel at speeds up to 100mph. 80-85 2-up. Would everyone then agree that I'm going to be happier with the road model? Or is the XC just as good as a road bike? On my demo I only got to ride surface streets, I didn't get to open 'er up.

I'm thinking maybe tubeless tires and firmer suspension would be of benefit for hiway touring.

A few XC's have been traded in on roads. And a few for 1200's which only come with a 19" front wheel.
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