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Old 08-07-2010, 03:10 PM   #61
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Missed/forgot about this AGAIN! I have a good excuse though, I was riding out by Umapine.

Hopefully I will remember next time!
The Watering Hole, in Umapine, has great hamburgers. Maybe we should meet there next!
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Old 08-07-2010, 05:59 PM   #62
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I'm hoping I figured out my running rich problem.

Took a nice, head-clearing ride in the mountains with some friends on the V-Star today. We ate at the cafe at Spout Springs (better breakfast places available). When I got back, the temps weren't too bad so I decided to tackle the carbs. Pulled the tank and dug into the carbs. Diaphragms look good. No tears or pin holes. I dropped the needle one notch on the right carb. Put that carb back together.

Pulled the top off the left carb and removed the diaphragm slide and needle assembly. THE NEEDLE WAS SEIZED UP. For whatever reason (spring jammed?) the needle was not sliding freely. I pulled the spring and popped the needle up with pressure from my finger. I'm thinking this has to be the problem. We shall see. In any event, I dropped the needle one notch.

I haven't closed things up yet. Question is, in light of the stuck slide, should I just leave the needle clip settings where they were or leave them as I set them, dropped one notch? Worst case scenario, I'll run a little lean and have to dig back in and restore the needle clip positions.
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Old 08-07-2010, 07:03 PM   #63
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With my dirt bikes I always error on the side of running on the rich side.

Glad to hear you might have it figured out.
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Old 08-07-2010, 07:44 PM   #64
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We shall see. I agree, err on the side of rich. Assuming the stuck needle is the problem, I may end up lean, but that's easy enough to fix by repositioning the needles. A 60 minute or less operation, now that I've done it once.
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Old 08-07-2010, 08:23 PM   #65
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Id say give it a try like you have them and ride up in elevation like you were when it ran bad and see how it acts. Like you say you can always put them back where they were. Too lean would probably pop on deceleration like the KLR and DR 650's do when they come lean from the factory set to meet emitions. Fix is to raise the needle up 1-2 notches or put a shim under the circlip if it's not adjustable to raise it up.
Also was the needle stuck in the opened up throttle position or down in the idle position? If stuck in the opened up throttle position then thats definitely going to run rich as it would be pulling lots of fuel out even though you are idling , putting around at slow speed I think.
GreatNortoni , have a great time this coming week on your solo trip through Oregon. We'll be thinking of you for safe passage and wished we were all there riding with you. rj
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Old 08-07-2010, 09:44 PM   #66
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Try it

Personally, I would try it and see if it makes any difference.

As stated before, I like to run on the rich side personally.

Another option, after market exhaust.
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Old 08-08-2010, 08:31 AM   #67
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I've found that my bikes run best for the range of elevations around here a little leaner than the "conventional wisdom" on advrider, but a little richer than factory settings. If the bike was factory stock when you started, it seems unlikely that leaner would be better considering the elevations.
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Old 08-08-2010, 10:09 AM   #68
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I've found that my bikes run best for the range of elevations around here a little leaner than the "conventional wisdom" on advrider, but a little richer than factory settings. If the bike was factory stock when you started, it seems unlikely that leaner would be better considering the elevations.
Bike is not factory stock. A prior owner did a Canisteriectomy (removal of charcoal canister that causes some problems). Also appears to have mucked around with the airbox, as the vacuum outlet on the right carb that should run to the airbox is capped (along with the one that had been hooked to the canister).

Tank back on and it starts and idles well. I'll take her out for a ride and see what I think. I have new plugs in so we'll see if they get carboned up.
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Old 08-08-2010, 10:55 AM   #69
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Off to see the wizard

I am leaving for a little week long trip around parts of Oregon (the vast waste land as my lady friend puts it), so if there will be a meeting of us ADV hooligans this week I will miss it, just have to catch up with you all the following week.
Here's to wearing out the knobbies!
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Old 08-08-2010, 11:55 AM   #70
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I am leaving for a little week long trip around parts of Oregon (the vast waste land as my lady friend puts it), so if there will be a meeting of us ADV hooligans this week I will miss it, just have to catch up with you all the following week.
Here's to wearing out the knobbies!
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Old 08-08-2010, 03:53 PM   #71
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F650 Running Rich

Well, it's getting better. I got the carbs back together and popped in a new set of plugs this morning. Bike runs well. I decided to try it at altitude and took the pavement up to Tollgate. Rode pretty hard on the way up. My buddy behind me said it is still putting out some black smoke when I get on it, but not as much as before. I didn't have any of the stumbling issues I did last weekend, and the bike started right up without any problems when it was time to head back down. Filled up at the Co-Op when I got back to town. 3.5 gallons for 120 miles. 17 of those miles were pre-carb fix. Long and short, I got a mileage improvement of at least 24% over what I had before. Not bad but not totally satisfactory.

Next step is to replace the stock plug covers. I may still need to put in a more restrictive main jet but before I do that I want to dig into the airbox to see if prior owners mucked anything up in there.
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Old 08-08-2010, 08:51 PM   #72
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Smithee,

I have 4 carbs for you to work on next. Just think, double the fun!!
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Old 08-09-2010, 11:08 AM   #73
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OK, I know I whimped out on a ride report and pics of the Gorge Rally so here is a link to the pro photog's pics that they took all for days . Way better then my abilities. does this get me off the hook Caos ??? rj
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Old 08-10-2010, 06:58 PM   #74
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OK, I know I whimped out on a ride report and pics of the Gorge Rally so here is a link to the pro photog's pics that they took all for days . Way better then my abilities. does this get me off the hook Caos ??? rj
It's has been so long since you promised a ride report, I had forgotten all about it.
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Old 08-11-2010, 08:48 AM   #75
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It's has been so long since you promised a ride report, I had forgotten all about it.
Good , now I'm really off the hook. rj
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