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Old 08-26-2011, 08:55 AM   #151
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I don't really know.
Surely you are talking about the inner difference between right and left fork... in order to help you to find an answer it's necessary to add an information:
The HP2 right fork (Shiver inner) has the compression damping reg on the bottom, and rebound on top (print "R" on the cap).
The HP2 left one (fake), instead, has compression un top (print "C" on the cap) and no rebound damping reg (and function as well).

Therefore the print of [BMW] shame is "C"
I think I'm understanding what you write... but we need to get you a better translation program.

Are you using http://www.babblefish.com/ or http://translate.google.com/# ??
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Old 08-29-2011, 12:24 AM   #152
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Doh! ..usually I’m clear enough; maybe I was only too short in my posts – otherwise could be nicer of you to help by PM in order to improve my [poors] communication skills.
Other option is to write in Italian, then everybody can use his favourite translation program – but I guess could be better appreciate some more respect for the community, as the community should appreciate guest’s effort to knock at the door in English…

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Old 08-29-2011, 05:45 AM   #153
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Doh! ..usually I’m clear enough; maybe I was only too short in my posts – otherwise could be nicer of you to help by PM in order to improve my [poors] communication skills.
Other option is to write in Italian, then everybody can use his favourite translation program – but I guess could be better appreciate some more respect for the community, as the community should appreciate guest’s effort to knock at the door in English…
Nice....and I can write in Danish....... Don`t they teach you English in Italy??? We started in 5`th grade in Denmark....Just curious.....

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Old 08-29-2011, 07:41 AM   #154
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Hey, Erling.

Don't you think I said so to make somebody understand to be less harsh saying "welcome"?
Maybe you can think I'm stupid (?!), but surely not enough to change a pleasant place as this forum in a screaming square, floating on misunderstandings or provocaltions as your one.

Good manners said me to say thanks to Gangplank because of his contribution: he's surely a nice guy since does helps everybody down here, and I frankly believe he deserve & appreciated this - as he surely got the message That's all.

I'm going to talk about forks on this thread, if you don't mind - and nothing else, despite my doubt about the purpose of your umpolite and aggressive reply.

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Old 08-29-2011, 10:24 AM   #155
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Hi Gaspare,
Sorry I hope I didn't offend you. I was making a bit of a joke. You do fine and your contribution is very much appreciated here. I am sure by me and others as well

So back to suspension... I know a few guys have done the mod. How's the riding?

Now that I've upped the rebound on my forks two more turns I've noticed much more even wear on my tires. BTW that is the sign of well tuned suspension = even tire wear side to side and less or no cupping = no leading edges or following edges of the tread blocks wearing strangely.
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Old 08-30-2011, 04:32 AM   #156
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It’s OK, really.
I do love jokes too, but it’s necessary to trust and respect – first.
Play with friends is different rather than play with people, isn’t it?
Circumstances as this one are delicate, yes, and useful to change the point of view and open to friendship.
At this point I’m sorry because we live in different continents, and could be difficult to meet…


Anyhow, about tires you just said a general law that actually could be rock carved – but the wear is too much influenced by riding style, nonetheless the same suspension setup is not applicable to all of the styles.
A real mess.
About my specific case, I can’t say just nothing because of the tires.
With TKCs the highness of the tread blocks drives them to be warped by the torque while cornering, so – the strange “side-licked” shape of wear is even a good sign, since I’m pushing more because of improved confidence into bike stability.
I’m from Bitubo forks kit, now sold to a GS road-rider, so I can really compare the two different configurations.
I’m 73 kg, with a linear and round riding style; the Bitubo spring was good on tarmac, but off-road was too hard for my tastes. In spite of this, I was bottoming too often because of unfit valving progression.
Hydraulics was acceptable on the road, but surely not even thinkable to make it stronger because of off-road use. Maybe it’s possible to modify the cartridges, too – but was frustrating to me to think about a sealed & miniaturized solution soooo stressed when off-road: how many services during the year?
Moreover, the preload adj is quite useless to me: it gets some sense when there’s an oversize “front side” fuel tank – but once found a good compromise, it’s comfy to forget the adjustment.
When there’s the passenger, the pace slows down, so…
Let’s Shiver the forks!
Öhlins springs kit is perfectly balanced; I’ve Öhlins shock, too, with 00698-69/170 - L 218 spring.
As already said, I’ve chosen to stay at 215 mm of travel not to make the front wheel too light.
Just in case, it's not possible for me to balance rising the rear: I’ve already the BMW Rally seat (920 mm to ground), and I do prefer to see the landscape below clouds…
I’ve the big-big luck to have close to home the workshop where one of the two partners (Cristian Rossi) is the Team Manager of ISDE Italian Trophy team (he was a ISDE Silver Vase rider, too): he’s the suspension expert in the workshop.
He set the hydraulics that I’m actually testing, and I’ve to say he got the target.
So far I’ve only increased the compression, and the bike handles great: magic carpet ride, with right and finally controlled bottoming, too
I’ve found more behaviour difference from Bitubo to This mod, rather than OEM to Bitubo!
Now it’s more sensitive to adjustment at the rear, too, where is necessary to have a 70 mm race sag (static 35 mm); with this setup the bike shows its limit only over 180 Km/h where (with an off-road hydraulics setup at the back) is not sharp any more at the handlebar.
C’mon: who’s riding at that speed with a GS?! Fine like this.
Now I’m waiting for Cristian, because of his capacity of real fine tuning on-the-bike: I’m curious about developments; can’t imagine to have some more improvement… true the weight helps the suspension to work better, but so far I’ve found something better only with revalved cartridge Showas.

Once more: thanks for the idea, Gangplank!

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Old 08-30-2011, 06:05 AM   #157
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Hey, Erling.

Don't you think I said so to make somebody understand to be less harsh saying "welcome"?
Maybe you can think I'm stupid (?!), but surely not enough to change a pleasant place as this forum in a screaming square, floating on misunderstandings or provocaltions as your one.

Good manners said me to say thanks to Gangplank because of his contribution: he's surely a nice guy since does helps everybody down here, and I frankly believe he deserve & appreciated this - as he surely got the message That's all.

I'm going to talk about forks on this thread, if you don't mind - and nothing else, despite my doubt about the purpose of your umpolite and aggressive reply.

Giuseppe
Well...perhaps..... But you see I just wanted to float it back at you..... But as you clearly can see here.... that online forums is a trap where sarcasm.....irony....and other fun relations are extremely hard to gauge.... Since one cannot see another. What you saw here is just that.... This " very well respected forum" have many great members that use the aforementioned language, to joke and kid around....... That`s is what I saw...... Perhaps some of that was lost in your translation to Italian.... ( not joking here, but merely pitching an idea) That said ....perhaps I may recommend that you not get so upset....loosen up a bit..... that way you will enjoy the forum a whole lot more...... Not mistaking other peoples remarks as a personal attack on you.......which they are not.....and ummmm..... welcome to the PU.....( parallel universe....


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Old 08-30-2011, 06:51 AM   #158
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Hi, Erling

Glad to see this one like a real whole of universe… You see, too often we Italians are target of jokes and critics.
This because of an arguable international image, especially due to some (Let me say, few) arguables fellows countrymen.
You can understand me it’s very easy to react as I’ve done when there’s the feeling to become a public shooting target about this subject.
Usually I’m not touchy, and seen the spirit down here, I believe It’s my turn to say sorry of the dust cloud I rised up
bye, Giuseppe

PS - generally we're not that good in languages because of early riding motorcycles instead of going school

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Old 08-30-2011, 08:33 AM   #159
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Hi, Erling

Glad to see this one like a real whole of universe… You see, too often we Italians are target of jokes and critics.
This because of an arguable international image, especially due to some (Let me say, few) arguables fellows countrymen.
You can understand me it’s very easy to react as I’ve done when there’s the feeling to become a public shooting target about this subject.
Usually I’m not touchy, and seen the spirit down here, I believe It’s my turn to say sorry of the dust cloud I rised up
bye, Giuseppe

PS - generally we're not that good in languages because of early riding motorcycles instead of going school
I understand..... I am sure the stories get`s "old" after a while..... Speaking of Italian... I`m off to my Andrea premium for a doublo Espresso..... You guys sure know how to make great espresso machines..... Ciao.....

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Old 08-30-2011, 09:07 AM   #160
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Glad to hear that the Shiver'd conversion is working well for you. Thanks for the info on the HP and other BMW bikes. I thought they had the Marzocchi Shiver forks but wasn't sure if they were the inexpensive version like the F800 has or the better real valved version like the Aprilia RXV that I used.
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Old 10-04-2011, 05:52 AM   #161
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I've decided to do this.

Donor forks are purchased. Machinist selected. Now just need to find a suspension shop in Central Ohio willing to do the tuning. Suggestions?
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Old 10-04-2011, 04:18 PM   #162
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don't know anything about them but found this:
http://www.fcrsuspension.com/locations.html

Look to know thier shite.


I'd give them a call. The other option is to ship it to Ed McCoy's Offroad center out here in NV. He did a great job on mine and is reasonable. Shipping costs would suck and I'd call him first. He will remember my forks I am sure....
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don't know anything about them but found this:
http://www.fcrsuspension.com/locations.html

Look to know thier shite.


I'd give them a call. The other option is to ship it to Ed McCoy's Offroad center out here in NV. He did a great job on mine and is reasonable. Shipping costs would suck and I'd call him first. He will remember my forks I am sure....
Thank you!!!

I've considering shipping mine to Ed's but .... shipping would be a bunch.
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Old 10-04-2011, 10:45 PM   #164
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So back to suspension... I know a few guys have done the mod. How's the riding?
Have had mine in for a little over a year. Definitely a huge improvement over stock but I still need to do some tuning. The progressive rate springs need to go and I need to tighten up the compression stack. Even with the bleeds all the way in it's too soft. It bottoms easily and dives a ton under hard braking. The potential is there, just need to spend some more time with it.
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Old 11-10-2011, 07:26 AM   #165
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Hey guys,

Can one of you who has taken apart a set of stock and other 45mm Zokes confirm if the sliders (the chromed part) are the same length? Diameter should obviously match and I would think the bottom thread for the axle clamps all interchange as well.

I need to replace a scratched slider on a F800GS fork and it might be easier and cheaper to find one from another bike. Anybody with some leftover parts from their Shiver conversion?

Thanks,
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