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Old 08-15-2010, 06:37 PM   #16
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Large groups suck. Period. They are also generally squidfests, and dangerous. I started a 4 day ride on Friday with 2 friends. One had bike issues, and we dropped him at a Holiday Inn Express, wife picked him and bike up.

My other buddy and I are 800+ miles into the trip on day 3, all on rural back roads... no highways at all. That is not kooky miles, but you can't do it with a bunch of people.

I'm O-V-E-R large group rides. They are for the ego, not for the ride.

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Old 08-15-2010, 07:18 PM   #17
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We have DS rides with as many as 20 riders and never have an issue. But I do not do the Pirate Parade type of groups. Poseurs on cruisers are far too dangerous.
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Old 08-15-2010, 08:20 PM   #18
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Toy Run. Intersections are blocked off by the police, and people line the roads on both sides to watch a whole lotta bikes go by with toys on them. Some passengers throw candy at the kids. There is the occasional asshat, but for the most part it's nice to feel like I'm part of something bigger and maybe even helping a kid out. I can identify with that.
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All the "tribes" play nicely together due to the cause/holiday spirit.


Pirate parades, and squid runs, no thanks. Noisy, dangerous ego fests all about chrome or chicken strips.
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Old 08-15-2010, 08:23 PM   #19
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My other buddy and I are 800+ miles into the trip on day 3, all on rural back roads... no highways at all. That is not kooky miles, but you can't do it with a bunch of people.

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Old 08-15-2010, 08:43 PM   #20
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Not to mention running 60-70 mph in a tight pack of loud HDs each seperated by no more than 10 feet is a huge adrenalin rush.

For those that haven't tried it, I say go for it at least once to see for yourself.
No thanks. Even being near a group of loud bikes like that (especially following), whether they be HDs or any other brand is enough to make me throttle down and let some distance get between us. Personally I don't see the adrenalin rush but that's just me. You'd never catch me in the midst of a CF like that.

But then again, WTF do I know? I feel the same way about being in the middle of a crowd at a concert or sporting event. I think I like people .
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Old 08-15-2010, 08:44 PM   #21
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Personally, I have zero interest in riding with anyone else. Perhaps my wife if she decides to get a bike, but I ride so I don't have to deal with people. I'm not a real social cat anyway, I'll meet up with people at a destination and hang, but no group rides. If that's what gives you more enjoyment, have at it.

Clogging traffic, blocking intersections? Lots of people fly into a rage if you hold them up for 5 seconds, don't want to be a part of that, even if it is for a "cause". See this thread for an example- the parade could have been a fundraiser, memorial, "poker run", no one knows, and I think at this point it doesn't matter because they pissed off a bunch of people and put lives at risk.

I couldn't care less about miles, and I'd rather stay low-observable whenever I can. If I want to stop and look at a weird tree, or call it a day after 150 miles, I don't want it to be a committee decision or bum somebody else's ride because they want to keep going.
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Old 08-16-2010, 08:17 AM   #22
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There are two people I like to ride with, everybody else annoys me in some fashion.

The only big group ride I ever enjoyed (went on a few before I figured it wasn't for me) was one of the last times the New Jersey Rolling Thunder ride went from Liberty State park into NYC through the Lincoln Tunnel and down the west side highway to the South Street Seaport area.

What was fun about it? Mayhem. Once everybody hit the Lincoln Tunnel it got loud and rowdy, and then the cops had all the side streets blocked going onto the west side highway...it was a free for all. Then after the speeches and stuff all the cops just disappeared. Burnouts, wheelies, all kinds of fun. Almost got hit by a flying broken HD drive belt, that would've left a mark.

The next time I went on that ride it was to the new Memorial on the Parkway, much more controlled and boring. Broke a clutch cable and bailed out of that mess.
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Old 08-16-2010, 08:36 AM   #23
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Giant group rides are about narcissists mutually admiring each other. They have little to do with riding motorcycles.
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Old 08-16-2010, 08:55 AM   #24
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Old 08-16-2010, 09:14 AM   #25
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I've ridden with large groups before and I enjoy the nattering and drinking afterwards. If it's associated with a particular model/style of bike, it's nice to see other people's farkles in the flesh too. Sharing mechanical knowledge and actually being able to point at/demo things is very useful too.* The actual riding itself though is, almost without exception, pretty gash even if the roads are great.

Main gripes are:
- Speed. Irrespective of your ability, the group speed either amounts to either a snail's pace, or a free for all and the group getting split up (which is just as slow as you end up stopping, doubling back to collect people, etc.)
- Fueling, especially people who start the ride without enough fuel to get to the first scheduled stop, or who later on pass up the opportunity to refuel, then hold everyone up when they run out.
- Lack of willingness/ability to filter. It's legal(ish) in the UK and the main reason for having a bike on our congested roads, so far as I'm concerned.
- Lack of willingness/ability to perform perfectly safe overtakes on vehicles not in the convoy.
- Not adhering to the drop off system.
- Pointless overtakes (changing position in the group, often dangerously, for no reason).

The best one I've been on was where it was divvied up into smaller groups of experience/ability and most people were honest about which group they should go in. These set off at staggered intervals. Timing was almost perfect so everyone arrived at the stops within a couple of minutes of each other. Fast groups waited joined the back of slow groups and rode at the slow pace, but this only happened twice and then only a couple of miles from a designated stop. The drop off system was also rigidly used. As a means of getting from A->B or covering serious miles, it was terrible, but as a thing in itself it was quite good fun.

When riding with people you know off forums, it's worth going just once to see the hilariously large gulf between claimed and actual riding ability. Some of the worst road riding I've ever seen has been from some of the people who brag loudest about how good they are. Smaller group rides are good; 4-5 people is often a good laugh and usually a nice group dynamic.

Group riding is something everyone should try at least once, but I'll never understand people who do the majority of all their riding this way.

*All these good things can be done at a bike meet without actually riding with any of the people there. This is my preferred social motorbike activity.
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Old 08-16-2010, 06:36 PM   #26
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Giant group rides are about narcissists mutually admiring each other. They have little to do with riding motorcycles.
Sometimes but not always. Blk Betty has a point, was on a memorial ride for a buddy we lost last year. About 40 bikes mostly Harleys, all riders. We rode in groups of 4-10, fast and tight, meeting at predetermined stops along the way. Very high adrenaline and heightened sense of awareness. Ended up at a big barbeque and raised a bunch of money for his granddaughters education fund. A great day with a bunch of good guys for a good cause. No egos involved.
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Old 08-16-2010, 09:42 PM   #27
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Clogging traffic, blocking intersections? Lots of people fly into a rage if you hold them up for 5 seconds, don't want to be a part of that, even if it is for a "cause". See this thread for an example- the parade could have been a fundraiser, memorial, "poker run", no one knows, and I think at this point it doesn't matter because they pissed off a bunch of people and put lives at risk.
In general I hate group rides also, But the toys for tots run in Olympia Washington is fun, safe, and gets positive support from john Q Public. The route is barricaded, police escorted and controlled, with support from the Salvation Army, Firefighters, EMT's, Military, Scouts, volunteers, business, and the media.

Good media is not a bad thing. http://www.thenewstribune.com/2009/1...ir-softer.html
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Old 08-17-2010, 03:23 AM   #28
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I am typically very picky about who I will ride with. There are probably 10 or so people on that list.
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Old 08-17-2010, 04:47 AM   #29
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Old 08-17-2010, 05:04 AM   #30
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Depends on the group.........

and this kind of a group usually doesn't have people that get their panties in a wad when a faster guy passes them. Every year I go here and get together with about 700 of my closest friends.
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