Poll Garmin 60/76 X Models Firmware

[9Dave]

OK - so TAPnTX got a bit frustrated by the thread drift and deleted his first post, but his question was a valid one and if there is a pattern, something that can probably be fixed.

So the question is - if you have a Garmin 60CX, or 60CSX, or a similar 76, have you ever had a route recalculate (after the initial calculation they do when loading a route) when the unit is set with the auto recalc to off?

The setting can be found here:
Menu|Menu|Setup|Routing|Follow Road Options|Off Route Recalculation|Off


Here was the original text

Originally Posted by TAPnTX

After trying 3 different 76CX's they seem to have a bug that lets the unit recalculate on its own. Regardless if you are prompted or it is turned off.

The 76CX's I had all had the latest Firmware from Garmin, 4.20 not 4.00 that is showing on their site.

I am working with Garmin trying to resolve this issue. This affects the 60cx 60csx 76cx and 76csx only

Please note if yours has ever recalculated when it was turned off!!!

Please post yours


You can find it here:

Menu>Menu>Setup>System>Menu>Software Version

Software Version
4.20
GPS SW Version

2.30M

Thanks,
Todd

Going to try this on mine tomorrow and see what I get

[TAPnTX]

Forget it

[widebmw]

Originally Posted by TAPnTX

I am working with Garmin trying to resolve this issue. This affects the 60cx 60csx 76cx and 76csx only

Please note if yours has ever recalculated when it was turned off!!!

Thanks,
Todd

I have never heard of that.
How would it recalculate when it is off ?

It will recalculate when you turn it back on.

[widebmw]

I get it now.

I have had my 76CSX for 5 years and never had that happen.
Last spring I sent it in for a repair and they sent me a reconditioned on with the software version 4.10, gps sw version 3.00s and I have not that happen on that one either.

[GodSilla]

Mine's a 60CSx running 4.00. No problems like you are describing. It just does the route recalc every time you load one, which is well known and documented here, with workarounds.
Frankly I don't use the autorouting feature much, more track-based myself.

[mcnut]

I do care.

The 60/76 have been around for a long time and have developed a huge following. As a result they are among the most often recommended unit in this forum.

If newer units are behaving differently/weird because of a hardware/firmware/software change it would be important for readers here and Garmin to know. Also may be helpful to include new owners of the 62/78.

I have been tracking your problems and this thread was a good attempt to figure out what may have changed to cause the issues some are experiencing.


For what it's worth:
GPSMAP62CSx
Software Version 4.00
GPS Software Version 3.00s
Auto recalc = off
No significant problems with routing

Bruce

[tbirdsp]

Originally Posted by Countdown

I think "Recalculate off" is a bit of a misnomer, it must do something unless it just stops navagating, leaves the original pink route on the map does nothing but show your position. This makes no sense, you should just be using tracks since that is how they work.

That's exactly what my older 60Cx does if you have automatic off-route recalculation set to "off" - if I go off of the route it does nothing*, shows my position, and leaves the original route line on the map. I see what you are saying about it being like track navigation, but that's not really true. When you are on the route you get the turn-by-turn directions and distance/ETA information.

*It's been a while since I did a route on the 60Cx. I can't remember if it gives you an "off route" notification if you have the recalc off.

[9Dave]

Originally Posted by tbirdsp

That's exactly what my older 60Cx does if you have automatic off-route recalculation set to "off" - if I go off of the route it does nothing*, shows my position, and leaves the original route line on the map. I see what you are saying about it being like track navigation, but that's not really true. When you are on the route you get the turn-by-turn directions and distance/ETA information.

Mine, too. And I think I may know the answer to how it behaves.

So I created a little route on my 60CsX this morning. It was only about 5 miles long and there was a 4 lane road I knew it would route on normally. I made sure the Off Route Recalc was set to off, and began driving off route almost immediately. What did the GPS do? Not a thing. No recalc, no prompt, no nothing.

About 2 miles later, I ended up back on the route for a couple tenths of a mile and it beeped at me. I looked at the display and there was a message telling me to make the next turn on the route. I navigated off the route instead and it did nothing. Again, no recalc, no prompt.

As I approached the destination from a different direction, I was back on the route again, but going in the opposite direction. This time, it went beep, and showed Calculating . I continued on, left the route, and headed to Home Depot. Again - no recalc, no prompt, and the route was still active.

So as I was getting ready to leave Home Depot, I again set a route home and almost immediately left the route. No recalc, no prompt.

I stayed off the route all the way to the end, but instead of stopping at the end point (my house) I continued down the road past my driveway and BEEP, it said Calculating

So - here is what I think the answer is. We all know that when a 60 or 76 series first begins a route, it calculates the route info. And my experience is that when you go off route, it is not recalculating if the unit is set to that.

The kicker seems to be the off route setting does not influence what it does when you are on route. It will calculate, when you are on route - and even if you are going backwards, or crossing over, you are on the route.

So my theory is that when it is once again on route, it may well calculate, or recalculate based on what you are doing at the time. In both my cases, I was doing what it perceived as travelling backwards on the route, so it calculates again. Not sure if when Todd experienced his recalc that he was "on route", but I'd not be surprised to hear that was the case.

So if I am correct, technically, the software is not broken. It is not recalculating when you are off route. It may recalculate when you go back on route however.

Anyone else want to try to reproduce this, or have their own guess?

And I believe I am at v3.90 of the firmware.

Nope - checked again. I'm at V4.00 and SW v3.00s

[TAPnTX]

Originally Posted by 9Dave

Mine, too. And I think I may know the answer to how it behaves.

So I created a little route on my 60CsX this morning. It was only about 5 miles long and there was a 4 lane road I knew it would route on normally. I made sure the Off Route Recalc was set to off, and began driving off route almost immediately. What did the GPS do? Not a thing. No recalc, no prompt, no nothing.

About 2 miles later, I ended up back on the route for a couple tenths of a mile and it beeped at me. I looked at the display and there was a message telling me to make the next turn on the route. I navigated off the route instead and it did nothing. Again, no recalc, no prompt.

As I approached the destination from a different direction, I was back on the route again, but going in the opposite direction. This time, it went beep, and showed Calculating . I continued on, left the route, and headed to Home Depot. Again - no recalc, no prompt, and the route was still active.

So as I was getting ready to leave Home Depot, I again set a route home and almost immediately left the route. No recalc, no prompt.

I stayed off the route all the way to the end, but instead of stopping at the end point (my house) I continued down the road past my driveway and BEEP, it said Calculating

So - here is what I think the answer is. We all know that when a 60 or 76 series first begins a route, it calculates the route info. And my experience is that when you go off route, it is not recalculating if the unit is set to that.

The kicker seems to be the off route setting does not influence what it does when you are on route. It will calculate, when you are on route - and even if you are going backwards, or crossing over, you are on the route.

So my theory is that when it is once again on route, it may well calculate, or recalculate based on what you are doing at the time. In both my cases, I was doing what it perceived as travelling backwards on the route, so it calculates again. Not sure if when Todd experienced his recalc that he was "on route", but I'd not be surprised to hear that was the case.

So if I am correct, technically, the software is not broken. It is not recalculating when you are off route. It may recalculate when you go back on route however.

Anyone else want to try to reproduce this, or have their own guess?

And I believe I am at v3.90 of the firmware.

As far as I know, the only units I have found that do this are the ones that Garmin is shipping with the 4.20 Firmware. This is not the version on their web site (4.00). My old 76cs has never does this with well over 100k miles with it on bikes. And there have been many times I have gone down a one lane road for miles and had to go back.

The part that really concerned me was when I was following my route on 123 in the Ozark Natl. Forest and I looked down and it was calculating. I stopped and checked the setting and it was off. And I was following my original route line.

unfortunately there is not a 4.20 Firmware you could load and try to see if it affects your unit.

And Garmin has Locked the new units where you cant Downgrade the Firmware to one of the older working versions.

Thanks for the info Dave.

Todd

[tbirdsp]

You didn't have "avoid unpaved roads" checked, did you? The part of 123 from AR 7 up to Mt Judea shows as a dotted line (unpaved) even in City Nav NT 2010.40. So does some of AR 341/Push Mountain Road.

[tbirdsp]

Originally Posted by 9Dave

And I believe I am at v3.90 of the firmware.

Nope - checked again. I'm at V4.00 and SW v3.00s

I thought so - because 3.90 had a pretty well-publicized bug where it would shut down while recalculatiing

[9Dave]

Originally Posted by tbirdsp

I thought so - because 3.90 had a pretty well-publicized bug where it would shut down while recalculatiing

My CRS was kicking in

My 60 was sitting on the desk across the room hooked to the desktop while the latest CN NT version dowloaded. Much faster than prior numap downloads. They made some improvements to their process, for sure.

[tbirdsp]

I *think* my experiences are the same as 9Dave's. I remember maybe 2 or 3 times in the 3 years I've been using the 60Cx that I was surprised that I saw it "recalculating" even though I had it set to "off". I didn't really pay much attention though, since it didn't really affect my route significantly.

[TAPnTX]

Originally Posted by tbirdsp

You didn't have "avoid unpaved roads" checked, did you? The part of 123 from AR 7 up to Mt Judea shows as a dotted line (unpaved) even in City Nav NT 2010.40. So does some of AR 341/Push Mountain Road.

Nope, I like unpaved roads

Todd

[Albie]

Seems quite counter intuitive for the 60/76's to recalc when you are actually on the route. Never seen my 478 or ZUMO work that way. Wouldn't even be a problem except that for some reason the 76 ignores the custom route and does what it wants to do.