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Old 08-21-2010, 11:00 AM   #1
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Wicked KTM 450 EXC or BMW 450

Gentlemen, in a very civil manner can you please assist me with information on which bike would be a better choice for my next purchase. Brand retoric aside. I will buy either a 2011 KTM 450 EXC or a 2010 BMW 450X. I currently own a 2009 KTM 690 Enduro R and a 2006 Honda 450X. The X has been punched out with The Athena 500 kit, Fluidyne, excels and other goodies, and is a killer lightweight bike for the single tracks trails I like to ride. I ride my 690 on the longer adventure trips. The problems is that frickin California rule that does not allow me to register the Honda 450X for street use. For those of you who live here know that just crossing the street can get us a spendy ticket. So..the Honda goes bye-bye and I will be buying a new bike within the next few weeks. Heard good things about both, but I want the real world info from owners. Parts, accessories, troubles, accolades, you know, the stuff magazines do not write about.

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Old 08-21-2010, 11:20 AM   #2
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Buy the BMW just to be different so long as they got their electrical problems sorted out.
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Old 08-21-2010, 12:53 PM   #3
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I can think of a few things.
  • I understand BMW is dropping the 450 after this year and a revised version will come out as a Husqvarna in both 449 & 511 designations in 2011. That may infuence re-sale value and long term parts availability for the BMW.
  • The BMW has a narrow range 5-speed tranny (the Husky will have and even narrower 6-speed) while the KTM has a wide range 6-speed. See http://www.advrider.com/forums/showt...281742&page=12
  • There are more aftermarket bits available for the EXC if you ever want a bigger tank, stator, etc.
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Old 08-21-2010, 01:00 PM   #4
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Just based on aftermarket support alone I would pick the KTM. It really sucks owning a bike and wanting to set it up a certain way only to find out no one makes those parts, or the parts that are made are ridiculously priced! (look up a larger tank for the BMW).

I love my 530exc!!

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Old 08-21-2010, 01:39 PM   #5
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FWIW 2011 450 and 530 EXC's are in their fourth year since this engine was released in 2008. Each year the 'issues' have been ironed out and the '11 only has 2 parts in the engine changed from the '10 edition. Good time to go for the orange machine and the hot up parts available are endless!

Too many problems with the BMW which is probably why they are ceasing to make it.
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Old 08-21-2010, 02:31 PM   #6
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The KTM man

After another inmate here bought one and didnt realize the extent of the maintence. Piston @70 hours A taddle tale box over 70mph voids warranty not to mention valve s and all the other BMW it aint broken til we have a fix for it. The EXC just flat out rocks !!!!!
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Old 08-21-2010, 02:35 PM   #7
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After another inmate here bought one and didnt realize the extent of the maintence. Piston @70 hours A taddle tale box over 70mph voids warranty not to mention valve s and all the other BMW it aint broken til we have a fix for it. The EXC just flat out rocks !!!!!
The recommended maintenance for KTMs is based on racing hours, not trail riding.

My 450 has 160hrs and still on original valves and piston.

I know 2 others with 520s that have 20k and 30k miles, still on original pistons.

But hey, don't take my word on it. I would say buy ANYTHING but a KTM just to stand out from the crowd. There are way too many KTMs out there at any gathering. (it must be the excessive maintenance scared em all away! )
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Old 08-21-2010, 02:35 PM   #8
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Old 08-21-2010, 02:57 PM   #9
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The recommended maintenance for KTMs is based on racing hours, not trail riding.

My 450 has 160hrs and still on original valves and piston.

I know 2 others with 520s that have 20k and 30k miles, still on original pistons.

But hey, don't take my word on it. I would say buy ANYTHING but a KTM just to stand out from the crowd. There are way too many KTMs out there at any gathering. (it must be the excessive maintenance scared em all away! )

The new 450/530 engines revv higher and wear much quicker than the RFS, though.

That being said, unless I just wanted to be different I'd pick the KTM hands down. Better developed platform, wider dealer network, bigger aftermarket and tons of support from other owners.
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Old 08-21-2010, 04:36 PM   #10
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The August Dirt Rider has a test on the BMW, sounds like it's a much better package the the '09 and it comes with a 3 yr. 36,000 mile warranty, be different go with Der Korporation!!!
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Old 08-21-2010, 10:45 PM   #11
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You can not fix the tranny issue on the BMW. It will always be a PIA for any DS use. Even the Huskys narrow box is much better suited.
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Old 08-24-2010, 04:25 PM   #12
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You can not fix the tranny issue on the BMW. It will always be a PIA for any DS use. Even the Huskys narrow box is much better suited.
+1 to what LILBIT says I love the gearbox on my 450 EXC!!!
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Old 08-24-2010, 04:33 PM   #13
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You should consider a blue KTM and check out the Husaberg.
The 2011 570 is street legal and with fuel injection, great motor and suspension.
Lots of aftermarket goodies and most parts are KTM.
The 570 weighs the same as a 450 and with the map switch on low has smooth power delivery and lots of it!
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YES Get a Husaberg! No more KTMs!
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You should consider a blue KTM and check out the Husaberg.
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