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Old 08-18-2013, 02:48 AM   #1336
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Would you consider Gus to be a 'dirt bike'?
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Old 08-18-2013, 03:02 AM   #1337
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Would you consider Gus to be a 'dirt bike'?
I think that there are grades to that, like MX, enduro, adventure bike, heavy adventure bike. I think of Gus as a 4WD truck. Not necessarily fast, but gets you there in style. Mostly..
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Old 08-18-2013, 03:05 AM   #1338
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Yeah but would you include a pic of it in airhead dirt bikes?
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Old 08-18-2013, 03:14 AM   #1339
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Yeah but would you include a pic of it in airhead dirt bikes?
I nearly did in the 'newb with dreams of an airhead dirtbike' thread, only to be trumped by Munsty. It doesn't have a braced frame, but meets a lot of the other 'qualifications'. If GuzziTony's bike excited the crowd, & gsd4me could post his bike, then...

I think that there is an element of 'how much cash can I throw at a bike' in some of the builds. I don't have that sort of budget, & Gus does what I want - for now.

Because I don't own a light weight (or lighter weight) dirt bike I don't have anything to compare it to. But it does everything that I was prepared to throw the 640a at. A bigger issue than weight / width / lack of ground clearance is often tyres.
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Old 08-18-2013, 02:44 PM   #1340
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I nearly did in the 'newb with dreams of an airhead dirtbike' thread, only to be trumped by Munsty. It doesn't have a braced frame, but meets a lot of the other 'qualifications'. If GuzziTony's bike excited the crowd, & gsd4me could post his bike, then...

I think that there is an element of 'how much cash can I throw at a bike' in some of the builds. I don't have that sort of budget, & Gus does what I want - for now.

Because I don't own a light weight (or lighter weight) dirt bike I don't have anything to compare it to. But it does everything that I was prepared to throw the 640a at. A bigger issue than weight / width / lack of ground clearance is often tyres.
I wonder if having lots of money to throw at bike builds leads to potentially higher level of dissatisfaction than a budget build because you can afford to chase a level perfection that you will probably never obtain. Plus it seems the more dollars spent generally the more narrow focus a bike becomes - and by definition an adv bike is anything but narrow focus.

An airhead dirtbike is a classic example - thats an oxymoron if I ever heard one. your 'budget build' is probably a heck of a lot better all round adventure bike than any hard core airhead dirt bike.

As works of automotive art an airhead dirtbike can make sense (although they risk becoming a 'wallet wank') but as a practical 80% road 20% offroad adventure bike it makes no sense at all.
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Old 08-19-2013, 01:53 AM   #1341
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I wonder if having lots of money to throw at bike builds leads to potentially higher level of dissatisfaction than a budget build because you can afford to chase a level perfection that you will probably never obtain. Plus it seems the more dollars spent generally the more narrow focus a bike becomes - and by definition an adv bike is anything but narrow focus.

An airhead dirtbike is a classic example - thats an oxymoron if I ever heard one. your 'budget build' is probably a heck of a lot better all round adventure bike than any hard core airhead dirt bike.

As works of automotive art an airhead dirtbike can make sense (although they risk becoming a 'wallet wank') but as a practical 80% road 20% offroad adventure bike it makes no sense at all.

Personally i prefer the "build as you ride" approach. e.g. crash-break something-replace it. Rinse and repeat.
The bike you will have after a few years will be just what you need and it hasn't spent most of its time in the shed being worked 'built/restored/customized"
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Old 08-19-2013, 03:04 AM   #1342
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yeah I guess you touched on it when you mentioned "qualifications". To me other than that bike Anton posted they are all just GS' with knobblies. in fact there was one with roadie tyres on.

It wasn't so much about how much money was thrown at a bike.

Maybe my interpretation of a dirt bike is far too narrow & the main part of that interpretation is that the bike must have a decent ground clearance over rough terrain to be seriously considered a dirt bike. My problem I spose, I'll start building the bridge.


BTW the question was in no way meant to discredit Gus or you abilities on it but I was simply wondering if you thought of your bike as a dirt bike.
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Old 08-19-2013, 10:38 AM   #1343
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I have no idea what a dirt bike is, but I will say that I'm quietly proud of what Battle Panda's done in the last 17000 km. I know we're talking about different things here. I could check how much dirt is on it?

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Old 08-19-2013, 11:59 AM   #1344
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Old 08-19-2013, 11:33 PM   #1345
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dictionary definition of dirtbike

"A lightweight motorcycle designed for use on rough surfaces, such as dirt roads or trails. Also called trail bike"

the second word EXLUDES all airheads/oilheads for all eternity

you argumentative inbreds simply have dirty adventure bikes
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Old 08-20-2013, 12:39 AM   #1346
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dictionary definition of dirtbike

"A lightweight motorcycle designed for use on rough surfaces, such as dirt roads or trails. Also called trail bike"

the second word EXLUDES all airheads/oilheads for all eternity

you argumentative inbreds simply have dirty adventure bikes

The correct word is I believe "inbreed's"
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Old 08-20-2013, 01:32 AM   #1347
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The correct word is I believe "inbreed's"
I bow to your superior knowledge and experience in this area
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Old 08-20-2013, 01:39 AM   #1348
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Airhead dirtbike.

And he built it himself



The first one is the same bike


This is an R100RS. I think the rider may be slightly mad. When he turns you can see he still has his panniers in place.
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Old 08-20-2013, 01:59 AM   #1349
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What are the terminators between lightweight / middleweight / heavyweight? What happens when you weigh them down - is a loaded DRZ with a 100+ kg rider still a dirtbike? How much do you guys weigh?
There's a lot to be said about usage and context.
We recently met a trio of hardcore Polish adventurers. They were riding "real motorcycles" - to quote one of them. Sure, not many would argue that his KTM was not a dirtbike, and true to definition, it was very lightly loaded. We wished them luck on the same roads that we were about to travel. As it turned out they didn't need it, since they had a large support truck following them. "Ready to Race", indeed.
I'll admit that I'm being argumentative. This is is beside the point and does not earn Battle Panda the title of dirtbike. But with all our luggage and my support crew on the back, I think it's more than earned "real motorcycle".
We can argue semantics all day, or we can get out and ride somewhere.

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Old 08-20-2013, 02:13 AM   #1350
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Yes quite right IM. I have been spending far too much time over at the airheads forum. It hit home when someone commented only airheads would have a 6 page thread about exhaust spanners - it was the last post of a thread i'd read all of

I was thinking about it today & I wondered if I got it all wrong & the posters were using irony. The other side of it is there are a lot of garage queens shown so i guess they were distinguishing between something that actually went off road as opposed to cruising highways etc. Who knows

So anyway back to Gus. Anything next on the horizon for him?
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