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Old 08-24-2010, 10:45 PM   #1
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Question What scooter should I buy?

So after a few major and minor breakdowns on my scooter, my wife has stated her opinion that perhaps the scooter I bought was not designed to be piloted at 95% throttle 95% of the time, every day of the year. She has strongly suggested that I get a bigger scooter more suitable to daily commuting. So what scooter should that be?

Currently I ride a 2007 Genuine Rattler with a 106cc engine. I'm 6 feet tall (182 centimeters), and weigh about 225 pounds (102 kilograms). I ride almost every day of the year that isn't below freezing, so I want something that's very very reliable. I'd like to be able to cruise at 60mph/97kph and maintain that speed up a decently-sloped hill. I desperately want to avoid getting one of the gigantic maxi-scooters, and I would love to get a scooter with some sportiness, that has good handling. My initial thought was either the Yamaha Zuma 125 or the Genuine Blur 220i, but I'm curious if the assembled wisdom of the board might suggest a better option.
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Old 08-24-2010, 11:38 PM   #2
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forget the zuma for that speed if you want to keep it stock.
Sounds vaguely that a 200+ scoot would be a good pick, or a tuned zuma but I would question the dead nuts reliable aspect on a major tuned scoot
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Old 08-24-2010, 11:39 PM   #3
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anything but the crappy china scooter would do. You ve got 30 years worth of japan scooters to chose from. honda elite, honda helix, Yamaha riva, Vespa. I myself love the elite 250 and helix 250. here some ads off the list for where you live. starting at around 600 bucks and going to 2 grand. If you look around craglist wa you ll find a lot more. There is at least 3 dealers with new old stock helixs for sale for about 2800. Comes with waranty. all get 60 miles or so per gallon.
http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/mcy/1917146885.html
http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/mcy/1913878413.html
http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/mcy/1911568834.html
http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/mcy/1910559705.html
http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/mcy/1911758606.html
http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/mcy/1911470681.html
http://seattle.craigslist.org/skc/mcy/1915508468.html
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Old 08-25-2010, 12:09 AM   #4
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250 sports scooter

Any one of these are sporty in nature, flick over and back quickly, reliable, and will maintain 60 easy......
Derbi GP1
Aprilia Sportcity
Vespa GT200/GTS250/GTS300
Honda SH300i
Piaggio X7
Any Kymco 250
Any SYM 250
Any PGO 250

Some 125/150's will cut it, but only the hotrod ones, most get breathless and use to much fuel at a steady 60. Like the few below......
Honda SH150i
PGO X-hot 150i
Yamaha Cygnus/BWS125 (with a few tweaks)

You could always keep the scoot you have, strip off 20lbs, then hotrod it.
I have a soft spot for hotrods......
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Old 08-25-2010, 02:34 AM   #5
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Good advice so far. Thanks!

It sounds like the 150s are probably not the best idea for what I want, and I should be looking at scooters around the 200cc range. Is that accurate?
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Old 08-25-2010, 05:17 AM   #6
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Look at the Piaggio BV 250 (soon to be sexier BV 300). Great lines, same engine as the Aprilia, good upright seating position, and decent storage.

All the other suggestions are great too, but you need to sit on a few of these and check the ergonomics out. Good luck in your hunt!
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Old 08-25-2010, 06:28 AM   #7
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Good advice so far. Thanks!

It sounds like the 150s are probably not the best idea for what I want, and I should be looking at scooters around the 200cc range. Is that accurate?
Pretty much accurate. It sounds like you want to move up in speed and ride from your current Rattler, but that reliability is more important.

As with most scooters, you're going to get the best reliability keeping the engine fundamentals stock. So a kitted Zuma 125 might not be the best idea.

Personally I would avoid Vespas and similar Piaggios at the moment since reliability is apparently your biggest real concern. Piaggios are decently reliable, but their sales have dropped 70% over the last year. I truly feel there's going to be a real dealer shake up soon. A friend of mine just got back his BV 250 from the dealer for a warranty repair (leaking coolant) that took 7 full weeks waiting for parts. Things are only going to be worse if dealers start closing enmasse and you have no nearby outlet for warranty repairs. I'm not rapidly anti-Piaggio, but I realistically know that it will be a long wait if my wife's Scarabeo breaks down any time soon.

Too bad that Honda doesn't sell the SH300i in the US. That would give you new vehicle reliability/warranty with a huge dealer network and decently stocked parts. But I guess you should at least test the Sh150i for speed and you've got older Honda 250's and the other Japanese and KYMCO brands to choose from. I ride my liquid cooled, 4 stroke Honda 50cc 100% throttle 95% of the time and its been very reliable. Many scooters are indeed made to ride WOT.
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Old 08-25-2010, 07:39 AM   #8
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+1 Kymco

I ride a de-restricted People 50. 5'10", 180lbs it will zip to 45 mph quickly, and in a pinch do 55 down hill.

Old Aerostich tank panniers make zippy-cool luggage, and a very cool little tail pack I found on Ebay makes it a great day in, day out, transportation choice.

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Old 08-25-2010, 11:35 AM   #9
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Any one of these are sporty in nature, flick over and back quickly, reliable, and will maintain 60 easy......
Derbi GP1
Aprilia Sportcity
Vespa GT200/GTS250/GTS300
Honda SH300i
Piaggio X7
Any Kymco 250
Any SYM 250
Any PGO 250
These are a good list. You realistically need a 250+ to get 60 MPH UP hills. Anything can go 60 MPH downhill. I personally don't feel that rider weight is a major factor. I was able to keep my scoot 50+ up the steep (10-12%) grades going from 30 feet elevation (sacramento) to over 8,250 feet (carson pass) elevation.

A big wheeled scoot is going to sit taller and may have more storage.

The Kymco People, BV, SportCity, Sym HD200 (lowest model I am recommending, marginal for your requirements) are good chioces. Derbi is difficult to get in the US. The X7 and X9 have not been imported for a few years now. PGO is not a brand sold here but I believe the Genuine brand scoots are PGO's with Genuine branding.
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Old 08-25-2010, 01:26 PM   #10
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Blur 220i

Great brakes, great handling, good power and good price,,
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Old 08-25-2010, 01:29 PM   #11
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Wondering what kinda of MSRP woul be with all these comparos ::


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Any one of these are sporty in nature, flick over and back quickly, reliable, and will maintain 60 easy......
Derbi GP1
Aprilia Sportcity
Vespa GT200/GTS250/GTS300
Honda SH300i
Piaggio X7
Any Kymco 250
Any SYM 250
Any PGO 250

Some 125/150's will cut it, but only the hotrod ones, most get breathless and use to much fuel at a steady 60. Like the few below......
Honda SH150i
PGO X-hot 150i
Yamaha Cygnus/BWS125 (with a few tweaks)

You could always keep the scoot you have, strip off 20lbs, then hotrod it.
I have a soft spot for hotrods......
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Old 08-25-2010, 01:43 PM   #12
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Some good recommendations here. If I were you, I'd try out a few current models and choose the one that best suits you. I like a very nimble scooter which is why I ride an original 2006 Buddy 125. However, I typically run my Buddy in the 40-50mph range and use my Hyper when I need something fast.

I'm smaller than you are, but if I had the same needs as you I'd try a Blackjack, the new Blur 220, the SH-150, the Kymcos in the 200-300cc range, the Sportcity and the Vespa GTS. If top-end is your most important criteria, the last 3 will be your best bets. If you can sacrifice some top speed for flickability, you might prefer one of the 1st three. Personally, I'm a big fan of the Buddys, the new Blur and the GTS.
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Wondering what kinda of MSRP woul be with all these comparos ::
Google is your friend.
The list gets smaller since the OP is in Seattle:

Derbi GP1 NOT SOLD IN US
Aprilia Sportcity MSRP $4699
Vespa GT200/GTS250/GTS300 200/250 NOT SOLD IN US, GTS300 MSRP $5999, GTS300Super MSRP $6199
Honda SH300i NOT SOLD IN US
Piaggio X7 NOT SOLD IN US
Any Kymco 250 Xciting 250 MSRP $5249, Grandvista 250 MSRP $4499, People 250 MSRP $4499
Any SYM 250 ONLY SYM 250 sold in the US is the RV250, MSRP $4499
Any PGO 250 NOT SOLD IN US

Of course MSRP only means so much. There are many models that you'd be a fool to pay MSRP for right now and some that you'd have to pay MSRP.
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Old 08-25-2010, 02:35 PM   #14
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For several reasons, I'm leaning toward the Blur 220i. The advantages include the warranty, the reported top speed of around 70 mph, and the support community at modernbuddy.com. I also really like the styling, and the fact that it doesn't look like a large maxi-scooter. The MSRP is also pretty decent; I'm not paying the premium to get a Vespa, even if they are great scooters.

I'll make sure to try out a few of the scooters listed by everyone before I take the plunge. Thanks for all the feedback! I knew ADV would deliver!
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Old 08-25-2010, 03:53 PM   #15
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I agree with everyone. You definitely need at least 250 cc to maintain 60 mph. A Honda Helix would definitely be a good choice, as long as you get one that was cared for, or one of the newer ones. If you want a cruise speed of 60 mph, don't consider anything that does under 75 mph. A blur 220 would not be bad, as it would have the reliability and everything, but it might be pushing it a little at 60 all day. It should do 70-75 mph, but that is top end, and there is nothing left.

Good luck finding a good scooter!
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