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Old 12-29-2004, 07:16 AM   #1
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Short Rides, are they OK?

I have a short commute to work now since I moved and while I do love it, I was wondering how it is on the bikes? (650GS and KLX400) I've heard daily short commutes in cages is not that good for them cause they don't get to fully warm up. My commute is 3 miles with 2 stop signs and one signal, 6 to 7 min. is that OK for the bikes?
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Old 12-29-2004, 07:25 AM   #2
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My commute is 3 miles with 2 stop signs and one signal, 6 to 7 min. is that OK for the bikes?
If that was my commute, I'd be jogging there and back. Or at least bicycling or skateboarding.

Rides that short are indeed not the best thing for any internal combustion engine. You let some water vapor into the crank case befor the oil heats up, and then there isn't enough time for the engine to warm up and allow the moisture to evaporate.

I'd say if you insist on riding to work, you should probably shorten your oil change intervals.
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Old 12-29-2004, 07:31 AM   #3
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I'd say if you insist on riding to work, you should probably shorten your oil change intervals.
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In adition, I'd suggest lengthening the ride.
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Old 12-29-2004, 07:33 AM   #4
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Duh! Of course!!! How could I have forgotten that solution.

My own commute is only about 8-10 miles by car, or about 15-20 miles by bike.

And yes, I do heed my own advice - I occasionally bicycle to work in the summer.
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Old 12-29-2004, 10:14 AM   #5
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If that was my commute, I'd be jogging there and back. Or at least bicycling or skateboarding.

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I would love to bicycle to to work but I don't have the balls, over 1/2 mile of it is is a rural road w/ no shoulder, speed 45mph so everyone does 55-60 and then another spot in town 1/2 mile no shoulders and plenty of traffic, I may try it when it's light out when I leave.
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Old 12-29-2004, 10:19 AM   #6
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In adition, I'd suggest lengthening the ride.
That's not a bad option, but how much further? 2,3,4+ miles, one of the reasons I moved is so I could be closer to work (yeah I never think of everthing )
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Old 12-29-2004, 10:22 AM   #7
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If that was my commute, I'd be jogging there and back. Or at least bicycling or skateboarding.
Shit, for 3 or 4 miles, you'd be hard pressed to make me get on my bicycle. Not worth it.

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Old 12-29-2004, 11:17 AM   #8
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I too have a short commute to work - about almost the exact same as you , 2 miles 3/4 stop signs and 2 lights - I simply let my bike warm up a little longer until I have 3-4 bars.
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Old 12-29-2004, 12:10 PM   #9
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I too have a short commute to work - about almost the exact same as you until I hit 3-4 bars.
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Great idea, I'll hit 3 or 4 bars on my way to and from work
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Old 12-29-2004, 12:49 PM   #10
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I too have a short commute to work - about almost the exact same as you , 2 miles 3/4 stop signs and 2 lights - I simply let my bike warm up a little longer until I have 3-4 bars.
you let your oilhead idle until it reaches 3-4 bars!!!

this is like the first no no of oilheads - start 'em and ride!
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this is like the first no no of oilheads
If you are an attorney on BMW's payroll, then it is a no-no, for sure.

All I have ever heard were two stories: one of an oil sight glass on a GS allegedly popping out and burning the bike, and the other one of an R1100RSL melting the lower fairing, and igniting the bike and the house.

I don't usually warm up my bikes before riding (except for the 2-stroke), but neither do I see much risk in doing so. I have on occasion left it running for 10-15 minutes with the headers glowing red-hot even in the daylight. Though it's a much prettier sight in the dark. No harm done.

Having said that, don't come to me for compensation if your bike goes up in flames.
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Old 12-29-2004, 12:59 PM   #12
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If you are an attorney on BMW's payroll, then it is a no-no, for sure.

All I have ever heard were two stories: one of an oil sight glass allegedly popping out and burning the bike, and the other one of an R1100RSL melting the lower fairing, and igniting the bike and the house.

I don't usually warm up my bikes before riding (except for the 2-stroke), but neither do I see much risk in doing so.

Having said that, don't come to me for compensation if your bike goes up in flames.
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sure, I warm mine up too, especially in colder weather. But to 3 or 4 bars!!! If you did that in colder temps it could take over 20 minutes!

I know a lot of it is passed down myth, but I just can't see how idling an oilhead for 20 minutes to ride it 3-4 miles (5 minutes) can be a good thing.
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Old 12-29-2004, 01:16 PM   #13
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I don't either. That's just me.

And if my commute was 3 miles, I'd take the long way home every other day or so.
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Old 12-30-2004, 06:44 AM   #14
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you let your oilhead idle until it reaches 3-4 bars!!!

this is like the first no no of oilheads - start 'em and ride!
No thanks-- not when the oil in my multi-thousand-dollar crankcase is 50 degrees. I think I'd rather see 1 or 2 on the RID before I twist the happy handle much at all. Besides, if the bike is warmed some of the negative effects of short rides would seem to be negated.
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Old 12-30-2004, 07:50 AM   #15
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The DRZ400S of my son's only goes 4 miles round trip when he rides, at no more than 30 mph. After me mentioning your question to him I asked him his opinion. He said he goes out and lets his warm up maybe 3 minutes and then heads on out. He changes the Dino oil every 2500 miles. Once a week he rides the long way home which is 10 miles of 40 to 60 mph for about 7 of the 10 miles. The bike has 15-k on it and runs great. HE uses premium gas.
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