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Old 10-12-2010, 12:32 PM   #31
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Hey DB,

Nice meeting you last Saturday...

I have the SW center stand installed. The springs were a bit**, but not impossible. I am very happy with the effort required to put it up on the center stand: almost none (unless it's in gear, clutch engaged)...

No idea of long-term reliability at this point, but I'm happy so far...


Ride on, Dude!


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Old 10-12-2010, 01:31 PM   #32
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I love old mechanics tricks like that! Thanks for sharing

Here's one I like when it comes to installing these types of springs:

1-Take a plastic tie-wrap (cable-tie) and make a large enough closed loop. (at least 4" diameter)

2-Put the closed loop unto the hook of the spring.
3-With a gloved hand, pull like a SOB on the loop until you manage to get the spring to hook around the steal tab on the frame (or center-stand in this case).
4-Cut the tie-wrap and pull in out from between the spring hook and the steal tab.
5-Done

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Old 10-12-2010, 02:02 PM   #33
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Hey DB,

Nice meeting you last Saturday...

I have the SW center stand installed. The springs were a bit**, but not impossible. I am very happy with the effort required to put it up on the center stand: almost none (unless it's in gear, clutch engaged)...

No idea of long-term reliability at this point, but I'm happy so far...


Ride on, Dude!


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. Likewise and thanks for the input. I'll likely see you around.











I pulled the centerstand and took a closer look.




There is not enough "wear" to warrant padding the stand.




Do to the amount of rust in the fracture zones, I believe the failure is due to stress fractures along the sides. The stand cannot handle the leverage of a loaded bike. As I travel a lot with loads, I crank that bike up regularly.


In that regard, TMEX is closer to correct than I am for "acceptable" use of this inadequate design.

My advice is to switch to the straight leg stands offered by SW Motech and HB. Check your stands at the bend where the foot lever applies pressure. I bet you will eventually find fractures.
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Old 10-12-2010, 05:01 PM   #34
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No Tor, you misread. We are saying we need to add additional protection to the bottom to keep it from grinding thin and breaking.

The side conversation TMEX and I are having is a debate on minimizing the use of the center stand,
I got ya, DB,,,,,,,..its all clear now....
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Old 10-20-2010, 02:29 PM   #35
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Comparison shots of old and "new"









......and on the morrow I find a welder to reinforce the left side......
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Old 10-21-2010, 04:48 AM   #36
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On the early K bikes we used to dump a little used oil into the center stand, and put the caps back on to stop that inside rust. Not sure if you can do that on the F800 stand or not.
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Old 10-21-2010, 09:52 AM   #37
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On the early K bikes we used to dump a little used oil into the center stand, and put the caps back on to stop that inside rust. Not sure if you can do that on the F800 stand or not.
Only on the right leg. There wouldn't be rust if it hadn't cracked though.




My welder buddy wasn't around today so I'll have to try again.
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Old 10-21-2010, 04:29 PM   #38
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My welder buddy wasn't around today so I'll have to try again.
Hey DB,

Know anybody local that welds aluminum?


Thanks,



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Old 10-21-2010, 05:59 PM   #39
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Hey DB,

Know anybody local that welds aluminum?


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No, sorry. I can ask the guy im going to have work my stand. What are you working?
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Old 10-28-2010, 12:02 PM   #40
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Welding magic (I have got to learn to do this). Old stand test run.




That is a 24mm wrench. Genius.






36 cents, give or take (there was one canadian so I'm not sure of the exact amount )







The pennies were easy on, but slow out. So the second spring was much easier and faster with two screwdrivers. Pennies were clever, but not worth the investment.



I can't believe the old stand works again. New stand is planned for reinforcement after beta testing...
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Old 06-27-2011, 04:56 PM   #41
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final product

My "new" stand is done.

It is a great job with the reinforcing brace welded in place.







Sadly, it is Art Ferguson's last project. He died Thursday, losing his battle with cancer. He was my father's friend almost 50 years- since they were 15- and will be missed.

Art thanks. I'll think of you everytime I ride.
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Old 06-27-2011, 07:37 PM   #42
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This is a totally different problem. Bought a new 2011 f650 twin with the lowered suspension. Had them unlower it by swapping with another bike. Don't think they swapped the sidestands as it is easy to miss. Had them install a centerstand at the dealer (OEM?). At arOund 1000 miles I noticed the stands were interacting. Rounded a corner and got some drag because the sidestand did not go all the way up, caught on the centerstand.

Anyone have any ideas or similar problems? The lower side stand should be too short, so it would prevent this right?

For your problems; has anyone considered Case Hardening to reduce the grindage?
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Old 06-28-2011, 11:49 AM   #43
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I noticed another reason to prefer the SW Motech center stand. Its about $60 less than H & B Mine is fine a year out. Dave
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Old 06-28-2011, 11:56 AM   #44
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Hey CheckerdD - notice any ground clearance issues with your SW Motech centerstand? Not that I throw my F8 in the corners that crazy but I do like humming around a corner. I'm bolting one up tonight to my bike. I'm guessing it's a non-issue.
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Old 06-28-2011, 02:42 PM   #45
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Odd. I rarely use the center stand. Can't imagine wearing it out like that. Do you mount it when it is down? If so why. Personally I'll probably just put something on there like suggested for skateboards.

Typically I use the side stand. Throw a leg over and seems to work just fine.
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