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Old 01-05-2012, 11:51 AM   #121
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Just installed my 8 cell Sycl and it works great in my BMW G650 XCountry. At 40 degrees F there was no delay in starting. At 20 degrees for 2 hours it took about a minute to warmup with the headlight first. At 20 degrees F overnight soak (with frost all over the bike) it took a total of about 10 minutes, mostly with the key and headlight on for 1 minute then off for 30 seconds before cranking. This new LiFePO4 technology takes getting used to after being so used to lead based batteries (as when really cold if you just try cranking without any warmup using the headlight it does not crank but appears dead by lead acid standards).... but sure enough the more I left the light on, the more cranking amps it would put out! In the end it cranked quickly just like when warmer temps.
What oil did you have in the bike @ 20F?

10 Minutes is too long for me (a commuter).

I wonder if I could do the 8 Cell in my R1200GS as a primary and then a smaller "Starter Pack" I can put in my gear bag that comes inside with me (stays warm). What size "Starter Pack" would I need? (We just came through a single digit & teens cold spell up here, overtaxing my OEM battery).
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Old 01-05-2012, 01:27 PM   #122
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What oil did you have in the bike @ 20F?

10 Minutes is too long for me (a commuter).

I wonder if I could do the 8 Cell in my R1200GS as a primary and then a smaller "Starter Pack" I can put in my gear bag that comes inside with me (stays warm). What size "Starter Pack" would I need? (We just came through a single digit & teens cold spell up here, overtaxing my OEM battery).
I've been testing these at 10,000 ft. at and around 20 with an old snowmobile. I've tried the 8 cell left overnight and it starts a little slow, but not 10 minutes. Not apples to apples, but it's so easy to flip the engine lid and I use quick connects so best for me to keep the battery inside and warm.

If it takes only a couple of minutes to pop the battery out of a GS, you're still cutting it close with the 8 cell. I would recommend the 12. It would have enough extra juice to handle the cold without the extended warm up Snooker is referring to. The cold does affect all these batteries, so the more CCA the better. Cranking a bike with heavy weight and very cold oil is a factor.
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Old 01-05-2012, 03:29 PM   #123
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What oil did you have in the bike @ 20F?

10 Minutes is too long for me (a commuter).

I wonder if I could do the 8 Cell in my R1200GS as a primary and then a smaller "Starter Pack" I can put in my gear bag that comes inside with me (stays warm). What size "Starter Pack" would I need? (We just came through a single digit & teens cold spell up here, overtaxing my OEM battery).
15w40 Shell Rotella

again it is winter here and I don't have the process down yet as I've only ridden it twice on the new battery! Plus it isn't 20 degrees in my garage where I normally keep it for commuting. It was no time at all at 40 degrees. But I wonder what the best recommended procedure is for warming it up. In my case this was an extreme and will not affect my commuting but just keep in mind.
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Old 01-05-2012, 04:29 PM   #124
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15w40 Shell Rotella

again it is winter here and I don't have the process down yet as I've only ridden it twice on the new battery! Plus it isn't 20 degrees in my garage where I normally keep it for commuting. It was no time at all at 40 degrees. But I wonder what the best recommended procedure is for warming it up. In my case this was an extreme and will not affect my commuting but just keep in mind.
This is good to know, thanks. 20 degrees w/ 15w oil means the starter had to work a bit harder. I had 15w oil at 18F two nights ago and the bike would not start without a jump. I now have 5w oil and am looking for more insurance in the starting department.
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Old 01-05-2012, 04:35 PM   #125
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If it takes only a couple of minutes to pop the battery out of a GS
I have Micatechs, it takes a lot more than a few minutes for me. Besides, I commute, I need a process that is quick and repeatable, otherwise, it won't work for me (key phrase here is "for me").

What if I kept my OEM which is [kind of] working now and got a "Starter pack"?

I really want to put a set of leads on the OEM battery with those PowerPole connectors and hang them out of the side.

I'd then get a three of sets of PowerPole connectors:
1) Powerpole to SAE for my Battery Tender
2) Snip one end of 'gator clips off my jumper cable and put on a set of PowerPole connectors in their place.
3) Powerpole to a "Starter Pack"


This way here, I could charge the batter on the 'Tender, jump the battery with my Starter Pack, and/or jump the battery with someone's car all without removing the seat.

What size "Starter Pack" do you think I would need?

The "Starter Pack" for all practically purposes, will always be warm.
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Old 01-05-2012, 05:17 PM   #126
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This is good to know, thanks. 20 degrees w/ 15w oil means the starter had to work a bit harder. I had 15w oil at 18F two nights ago and the bike would not start without a jump. I now have 5w oil and am looking for more insurance in the starting department.
Good to know.
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Old 01-05-2012, 07:53 PM   #127
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I have Micatechs, it takes a lot more than a few minutes for me. Besides, I commute, I need a process that is quick and repeatable, otherwise, it won't work for me (key phrase here is "for me").

What if I kept my OEM which is [kind of] working now and got a "Starter pack"?

I really want to put a set of leads on the OEM battery with those PowerPole connectors and hang them out of the side.

I'd then get a three of sets of PowerPole connectors:
1) Powerpole to SAE for my Battery Tender
2) Snip one end of 'gator clips off my jumper cable and put on a set of PowerPole connectors in their place.
3) Powerpole to a "Starter Pack"


This way here, I could charge the batter on the 'Tender, jump the battery with my Starter Pack, and/or jump the battery with someone's car all without removing the seat.

What size "Starter Pack" do you think I would need?

The "Starter Pack" for all practically purposes, will always be warm.
As long as you can isolate/switcj your OEM battery the starter pack can work. You could use the Sycl 4.6 Ah or the 8 Cell ballistic for that. I would go with the Sycl 4.6 with the Anderson Powepoles you describe.
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Old 01-19-2012, 04:41 PM   #128
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Got all my wiring finished this past weekend. I now have a 45A PowerPole setup coming off my battery and hanging from the side of the bike, along with a matching PowerPole to SAE for my Battery Tender, and a PowerPole plug on the end of my jumper cables. The addition of the "Starter Pack" will pretty much round it all out.
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Old 01-19-2012, 04:47 PM   #129
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it's been over a year since this thread started.... so how's the mid-term feedback on these batteries?

it's well known Li-ion cells don't perform at full capacity under colder conditions. how much power reduction can one expect to see for say 10f degree?

6 ah is not much reserve. I'd want a battery with at least equal to OEM amp hour reserves before factoring in reduction in performance for cold weather.
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Old 01-20-2012, 07:32 AM   #130
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My Scorpion AGM has been behaving terribly for the past couple of weeks, and indeed I have had the indignity of having to drive a car to work a couple of times. I just placed an order for an eight cell ballistic and can't wait to get it.
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Old 01-20-2012, 12:08 PM   #131
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it's been over a year since this thread started.... so how's the mid-term feedback on these batteries?

it's well known Li-ion cells don't perform at full capacity under colder conditions. how much power reduction can one expect to see for say 10f degree?

6 ah is not much reserve. I'd want a battery with at least equal to OEM amp hour reserves before factoring in reduction in performance for cold weather.

It's not entirely accurate to say that these batteries don't perform well at lower temperatures because their chemistry allows them to self-heat so quickly. At 10 F you would need 3 - 4, 5 second starting pulses to heat the battery. The AH rating is misleading because these are lightweight starting batteries not designed for deep cycle use, like powering electrics when the bike isn't running for long periods. We recommend using the CCA or cold cranking amps when comparing to the OEM.

If you replace your OEM that has say 180 CCA with an LFX battery with 275 CCA you should have enough reserve starting power for your cold weather starts.
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Old 01-20-2012, 02:35 PM   #132
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Way to go Neduro!!

On a different note, when you see the new opening photo on advrider...

...what you don't see in this picture is the Ballistic 8 Cell from www.Syclbatt.com in Neduro's KTM Rally bike.
We were among several ADV vendors who sponsored Ned.

In case anyone was wondering how the batteries stand up to abuse...

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Old 01-20-2012, 02:39 PM   #133
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Old 01-20-2012, 02:58 PM   #134
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How long do these last?

They are rated to last 2x as long as standard Lead Acid, but likely much longer if take care of.
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Old 01-25-2012, 04:59 AM   #135
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The battery is great so far, light in weight and starting my balky machine easily (although to be fair the weather has been much warmer this week). Thanks for the shirt!
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