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Old 11-21-2013, 08:32 PM   #2476
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The place I differ with you on here, sir, is that it is immoral for government to selectively establish "good/bad" lists of people to enter areas like BDC in the first place when there is a global permit system in place.

It's classic post-prohibition revenuing tactics.

Government failed to police BDC, despite:
1. It's part of the Usery Pass park, which is already a fee-use area.
2. It's part of the state of Arizona, and supposedly already funded by OHV and State Trust use permit funds.
3. There should have been patrols out there catching and stopping hooligans if any were present.

Classic government response is to shut down access to all, charge money for what is public domain in the first place, then build lists of acceptable people to exercise the use of the item in question.

You present it as "Look how nice government is! The permit is free!"

But it's not free. There's a web server hosting the page. There's a software developer like myself writing the automation of the form submission into a batch of processed documents. There's the laser printer it is output to, to generate a bunch of paper. There's the envelope stuffers in some AZguv office. There's the stamps and letter carrying labor.

That money is either coming out of OHV funds (from people who paid for the OHV tag and don't have access to BDC), or out of the state general fund.

And then you STILL have to have police and/or parks services people go through periodically to ensure lawful and orderly behavior. The lack of police or parks services staff being the reason the facility was shut down in the first place.

Far cheaper than all the web infrastructure and paper mailings... and safer for the public... to just patrol the place properly in the first place.

Quoted again, just to illustrate:



The audacity to suggest the public not have access to public land.



Or, it failed from a complete failure of government to perform the duties for which thousands upon thousands of OHV tags were paid: Support, law enforcement, and maintenance commensurate with the terrain.



They have no right. Gets right back to the whole "King's deer" issue.

Failure to enforce the law on government's part and live up to the contract of fee-use systems in the first place is no excuse to prosecute the law-abiding.

I read your threads from February of earlier this year and I don't blame you for the years or decades of broad-spread government mismanagement of every fund under the sun... but I do urge you to think about the meaning of "public land" and the role of government as its custodian. Government has been empowered by us to protect our land. Not to stiff-arm us away from it and make it as hard as possible to use, and create a myriad of obscure ways to fine us that are nearly impossible to comply with.

I probably broke a dozen laws on a 450+ mile mixed dirt and street ride I did around AZ 4 weeks ago. Who knows how many different-use areas I went through on that ride? It's stupid. As mobile as a dirt bike is, and as obscure as all these special use permits are, it's all empowering enforcement over even the most well-informed wonk that endeavors to keep up with pertinent statutes and events.
Dude get the OHV sticker and go ride. Maybe you can work off some of your anger issues you have with the MAN
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Old 11-21-2013, 09:08 PM   #2477
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Talking Whoot Whoot!! The little ringer runs again!!!

I put the new top end in the little YZ this evening and she runs great now.
I also put a new clutch cable in and I now just need to set it tomorrow and she'll be good to go for the weekend

Lets hope the rain holds off so I can take her out for a test ride
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Old 11-21-2013, 09:13 PM   #2478
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Old 11-21-2013, 09:27 PM   #2479
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I have been quietly reading. I have to admit it is a bit more fun watching things happen at times.

BTW Jeff I can't thank you enough for clarifying the OHV rules. I am still amazed out how many people I run into that are in "authority" positions that have not one bit of a clue as to what an OHV sticker is used for.

750Volts! screwed with this post 11-21-2013 at 09:34 PM
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Old 11-21-2013, 09:31 PM   #2480
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WantToRideMoar,
I want to take this opportunity to point out the errors in your post and answer your questions. I am doing this to clear up possible misunderstanding that these errors may cause here on ADV.
Dude, you need to get off your high horse. I bet you don't even ride and just pontificate from some luxury office downtown.
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Old 11-21-2013, 09:37 PM   #2481
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Dude, you need to get off your high horse. I bet you don't even ride and just pontificate from some luxury office downtown.
Just to let you know Jeff not only rides but he has ridden with some of the regulars around here. Furthermore, Jeff runs the program. Please take a bit of time to go back in this thread a few months and check out his posts.
It is easy to get all bent out of shape. I understand the confusion.
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Old 11-22-2013, 05:19 AM   #2482
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jeez. Nothing ruins a good Advrider thread like an informed, intelligent post.

Thanks Jeff.




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Old 11-22-2013, 05:59 AM   #2483
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Jeff, thanks for the insight. We could quite easily derail this thread from its intended purpose with further dialog on this issue here. I happily and readily admit that I am a novice to the whole dirt bike permitting system... however I feel that anyone who is a novice to the system is going to get soaked by all the regulations/permits in place.

I bow out of this topic in this particular venue. If I bump into you somewhere on the trail then we can take it up then.

Thank you.

Sorry to all for the derailment of the thread.
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Old 11-22-2013, 06:50 AM   #2484
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I bow out of this topic in this particular venue.
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Old 11-22-2013, 07:01 AM   #2485
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I put the new top end in the little YZ this evening and she runs great now.
I also put a new clutch cable in and I now just need to set it tomorrow and she'll be good to go for the weekend

Lets hope the rain holds off so I can take her out for a test ride
I'm surprised there was no damage to the cylinder....looks like it gonna be a muddy good time out there this weekend.....to bad I won't be able to get out and play
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Old 11-22-2013, 07:07 AM   #2486
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Old 11-22-2013, 07:20 AM   #2487
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Old 11-22-2013, 01:59 PM   #2488
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Muchas gracias for the support. FYI everyone...that Agavelvr guy here and on Expo isn't such a bad guy...I look at him every day in the mirror Was just having a little fun with that post.
Jeff,

That is too funny!!!!
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Old 11-22-2013, 02:14 PM   #2489
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awww jeff, i just saw the post and was gonna have some fun with it.
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Old 11-22-2013, 04:37 PM   #2490
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I just finished a ride with Julio and Dustin. I started at 7 in the morning at got home at 5. Here is a teaser for the upcoming ride report.





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