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Old 02-04-2014, 09:42 PM   #3226
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I'm really impressed with the little cam. It actually looks a lot crisper on the PC before I upload it to youtube. And that's recording at 720 with 60fps. It can record up to 120fps and some ridiculous wide screen frame. But of course, if I shot at that size my PC would go bonkers. Once I get a new PC in a few months we'll see what it can really do.
Maybe I missed it, what camera are you using? I've made the decision to finally get my act together on shooting vids. I just installed iMovie and I'm upgrading from a GoPro 1 to a 3+ (I think). I wish I would have had the GoPro when I went through the old Claypool Tunnel.
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Old 02-04-2014, 10:06 PM   #3227
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Hero3 Black.

But the Hero2 has excellent video quality as well. I chose the 3 black because of the wireless remote.
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Old 02-05-2014, 06:28 AM   #3228
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yep. you were right. shows up fine on the laptop.

cyberdos, were gonna have to get another gps class together. refocus asked me when we can do one yesterday.
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Old 02-05-2014, 07:52 AM   #3229
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Bill and I have been talking about it. Should be soon.
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Old 02-05-2014, 08:03 AM   #3230
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Bill and I have been talking about it. Should be soon.
I was going to email you about this also. Looking forward to it.
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Old 02-05-2014, 10:27 AM   #3231
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Well the main thing I'd like to know from you guys is what do you want to get out of it? I feel like last time I was all over the place trying to cover as much as I could and that's a tough task to take on.

The most important thing for anyone using these gadgets whether it be a phone or a GPS to help navigation is to learn to use your specific unit. This means opening up your manual and going through all your setting and figure out at a high level what buttons do what and for what. You don't have to master it and I am well aware of how shitty these users manuals are but at least knowing what features your units are supposed to have is a good launching point for you to understand it better and get the most possible use out of your specific unit.

For example, on last Saturday's ride we were spent shortly after arriving at the first cove down by Saguaro Lake. I had a track that zig zagged us down to all of the coves before arriving down by Butcher Jones. At that point I looked at my topo maps and saw that the track was just ups and downs the whole way through. Even if the overall distance was way shorter than the way we eventually ended up going I knew that the way we went was much easier (and also known to us) so we opted for that.

Now, if I had not known how to toggle between my regular base map and the topo map to check what the terrain looked like ahead and the distance, I would be clueless as to which way to go. There aren't any 'shorter distance' or 'faster time' features when you're navigating over tracks off road. There's also a feature on my unit to plot an elevation profile for the track. Super useful for specifically that scenario.

Pre ride track preparation also helps you get out of jams. If you have only ONE track for a ride and you get off track for some reason whether it be that the trail ends at a locked gate or you find an easier trail (which happened to us that day) and take that one over the one stored in your GPS then you've going to be staring at an empty screen and screwed. Trace out more than one track. Put waypoints to give you pointers on which tracks to take. Remember, when you're following a track the other tracks you have stored will not show up so that's where waypoints (which do show up) help you figure these things out.

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maybe I can set up some youtube videos with details of what I do to prepare for a day of riding.
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Old 02-05-2014, 11:10 AM   #3232
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I like the idea of doing a preparation class.

Plot a polygon on Google Earth.
Save the file and upload to basecamp.
Create Waypoints and elevation profiles.

All of that could be done genericly with no GPS. Then after everyone uploads to their own GPS...We could have a Q&A session when people want to switch pages and track their routes on their own units.

Someone should come up with an area they plan to ride in the future and then we could all make the file on Google Earth together.
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Old 02-05-2014, 11:49 AM   #3233
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Exactly what I'm talking about.

You can prepare for a ride either by downloading a track that has already been created or by going on GoogleMaps/Earth/GPSVisualizer and creating it yourself. I like the simplicity of GPSVisualizer myself but they all work fine.

Maybe a good area to take as an example would be Florence-Kelvin Highway area since it is familiar to most everyone here and has a mix of paved, designated trails, and non designated 9exploration) trails.
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Old 02-05-2014, 12:00 PM   #3234
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Great info here..
What sort of GPS units are most guys running? I've got an Oregon that I use for hiking and a larger Garmin 550 for the GS but haven't done a lot of off roading with it.
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Old 02-05-2014, 12:13 PM   #3235
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Great info here..
What sort of GPS units are most guys running? I've got an Oregon that I use for hiking and a larger Garmin 550 for the GS but haven't done a lot of off roading with it.
Oregon what? I use the Oregon 450. I really like it but my favorite GPS is still the Zumo. It's too big and bulky when the trails get rough though which is why most people off roading prefer the handheld units like the Oregons, Montanas Etc. Unfortunately I've only ever worked with Garmin units so I can't really say how good any other brands are. I'm willing to work with ya though. Don let me borrow his 60 and I learned a lot from it.
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Old 02-05-2014, 12:20 PM   #3236
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I've been using my Garmin 60CSx for 6+ years...
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Old 02-05-2014, 12:22 PM   #3237
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Oregon what? I use the Oregon 450. I really like it but my favorite GPS is still the Zumo. It's too big and bulky when the trails get rough though which is why most people off roading prefer the handheld units like the Oregons, Montanas Etc. Unfortunately I've only ever worked with Garmin units so I can't really say how good any other brands are. I'm willing to work with ya though. Don let me borrow his 60 and I learned a lot from it.
Yes I have the 450, its a nice unit and recently bought used on this site for a trip into the Wave in Vermillion Cliffs. I downloaded a track and created another going in so we would have a reference while hiking out in the dark.

I justt need to spend more time like you say playing with it and watching some more video's on creating my own route and loading it before a trip.
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Old 02-05-2014, 01:13 PM   #3238
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Old 02-05-2014, 01:15 PM   #3239
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I've been using my Garmin 60CSx for 6+ years...
It's a solid unit and preferred by many here.

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Yes I have the 450, its a nice unit and recently bought used on this site for a trip into the Wave in Vermillion Cliffs. I downloaded a track and created another going in so we would have a reference while hiking out in the dark.

I justt need to spend more time like you say playing with it and watching some more video's on creating my own route and loading it before a trip.
Here's a quick and dirty for creating your own track. this is for creating tracks that are not on google maps. What I mean by that is that they don't show up on the regular vector based map which in turn probably means that whatever map you have installed on your unit (whether it be topo map or city navigator, etc) you won't have aline for that trail on there.
Go to GPS Visualizer. There, you'll see the Freehand Drawing Tool.
With the Freehand Drawing tool you'll be able to trace a track wherever you see something that may look like you can ride/walk.

For example, zooming into the intersection of Florence-Kelvin and Bakerville Rd you'll see that both roads are visible on googlemaps like so:



but if you look on the satellite view you'll see that tehre are trails that do not show up on the vectored googlemaps roads view:



you can toggle view from map to satellite to hybrid to topo and a bunch others on the top right hand corner of the freehand tool in GPS Visualizer. It is essential for picking which way to go sometimes. Specially when you toggle between topo/terrain and see that the trail is STEEP. Might want to make a note and pick an alternate trail that ascends or descends in a more gradual manner. :)

Back to the track. So now that you see what trail you want to trace out you selet the TRK tool on the upper right hand side of the screen. it's got the little zig-zagged red line. Then start dropping your track like so:



The track started at Florence Kelvin and is going to hook back up with Bakersville Rd as you can see above. now here is where I say that waypoints come in handy. If you simply make the track, it's not going to be enough. Why? Because more than likely you'll ride right past the point where you need to start the track without ever knowing. Tracks will only show up one at a time when you have the specific one selected. So the best way to know that you have a track ready for use is to make a waypoint at the beginning and at the end of the track created. The custom waypoints that you create are always visible on the screen of your GPS. No need to turn them on. So if you're rolling along Florence-Kelvin and you see that you're riding past a waypoint called 'Bakersville-alternate1' (or whatever) you'll know that you have a track set up and can turn it on right then and there and follow it.

Waypoints on the freehand tool are as easy as selecting the WPT icon and dropping it wherever it needs to be. Here you'll see that I finished the track (which you close out by selecting the point last dropped to close out the track) and made two waypoints. one at the start and one at the end. both will be visible at all times on the GPS so no matter what direction of travel I'm following I'll be able to pic that trail up regardless.



You can continue creating as many tracks and waypoints as you like. Once you're good you can save your data as a GPX file. Again, it's as easy as clicking on teh GPX icon on the top right corner. It will save the file wherever you specify on your computer with some screwy name. No worries. you can rename the file to whatever you like (or not). the track information that the GPS will read will be in the text that is inside the file. So you can name the file dog poop and it will not show up as dog poop. It will have your tracks and waypoints the way you saved them while creating in GPS visualizer.

Now, to upload them to the GPS.

Connect your GPS to your computer using the usb cable.
Drag that dog poop file into a folder named GPX whcih should already be in your unit's root directory.

that's it.

Yep, that's it.

Tracks will show up under your 'tracks manager' dialogue or if you select 'where to' it will be under tracks there. Same deal for the waypoints.

let me know if you try this and run into any trouble.
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