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Old 11-07-2010, 07:53 AM   #61
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This is exactly why I'm interested, not for any weight savings. I'm looking for comfort. I've been camping for over 50 years but the hips and knees don't bend like they used to and are making crawling in and out of my one man tents too uncomfortable.

There isn't much storage in the hammock but I have a light weight bike cover so I figure I can leave all the riding gear on the seat and cover it.
Most hammockers are also lightweight backpackers and they almost lose control of themselves over grams to ounces (kind of like the KTM Vs. BMW debate except grms instead of pennies). They would suffer an anurism if they even saw what my wife and I used to shoulder on our backpacking trips. Our backpacks, tent, and sleeping stuff alone weighed more than their entire set ups now. Our battle is more over pounds and space. I have two fairly new titanium knees and hear you all too well. Plus the thought of floating while wrapped in a lightweight fluffy warm down nest just sounds nicer than any camping I have ever done. It's all about enjoying the outdoors instead of simply surviving it.

Molly Mac on HF has a very neato enclosed gear hammock set up for sale...though it would not be that tough to make one. It suspends tree to tree or even under your hammock tarp in water proof convienience either way. Out of the mud and dirt for me.
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Old 11-07-2010, 09:43 AM   #62
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Cold weather hammocking

tried my gear out last night ... only got down to 29 but i was toasty warm

Marmot sawtooth 20 degree down bag
hennessy explorer deluxe with supershelter undercover/ OCF pad and a space blanket

12x12 kelty noahs tarp pulled to ground meant no cold spots and at least a few degrees warmer inside than outside.....

absolutely no condensation anywhere



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Old 11-07-2010, 10:46 AM   #63
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Thumb Hennessy - New Cat Cape rain fly...converts to a rain poncho!

If you look close at the rain fly there is a zipper... Cat Cape! use your Rain fly as a rain poncho!!!! great idea!!



it also has a string with lock for tightening around the neck or head...



there are small pouches for the string on the back side of the tarp as seen here





lots more pics!!!

http://hightechcoonass.smugmug.com/Other/Hammocks/14526507_twiF6#1081214237_T3vzU


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Old 11-07-2010, 12:45 PM   #64
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So adding a quilt to insulate the bottom of the thing doesn't add more gear to carry? Sure, it's compressible, but it's not as simple in the tent comparison to simply take a average tent. There are super light weight tents now that are lighter and smaller than the complete hammock setup when you consider comfort levels as I see them.

I find that hammocks don't allow you to be completely vertical which shows itself when you tend to sleep on your gut for periods of time. They also wrap themselves around you which to me is reduces experienced comfort. It's also a lot harder to move around. Now with exped mats the whole sleeping colder on the ground issues is really a moo point.
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Old 11-07-2010, 04:00 PM   #65
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So adding a quilt to insulate the bottom of the thing doesn't add more gear to carry? Sure, it's compressible, but it's not as simple in the tent comparison to simply take a average tent. There are super light weight tents now that are lighter and smaller than the complete hammock setup when you consider comfort levels as I see them.

I find that hammocks don't allow you to be completely vertical which shows itself when you tend to sleep on your gut for periods of time. They also wrap themselves around you which to me is reduces experienced comfort. It's also a lot harder to move around. Now with exped mats the whole sleeping colder on the ground issues is really a moo point.
Underquilt or ground pad...your call but both take up space. Sleep on the ground tmotten...I don't care. Perhaps your issue here is more one of experience or rather lack of. I don't sleep vertical at all if I can avoid it. Yes I know you meant horizontal and so modern hammocks when set up properly allow flat lay (horizontal). The camping hammock is a rapidly evolving concept. If you slept in a hammock even a few years ago, it can be a whole new ball game now. Just yesterday I found a tent my wife and I used to backpack with during the 70s. My how things have changed since then when it was the high tech tent to own. But back then I was being nice to my wife by giving her a 50 lb pack while I muled a 70 to 80 lb one. Now around 25 lbs is close to the norm. Things change eh?

That said, go thou forth ground dweller and hangeth no more. This thread is for those wondering about the latest improvements in camping hammocks. I am not attempting to convert you.
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Old 11-07-2010, 04:35 PM   #66
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Mate, I've got 2 henneseys from a few years ago, when I wasn't aware of the down quilt, cause I can remember my freezing arse at a servo outside Barcelona in spring like it was yesterday so would have gladly tried that. So yep, do have experience with it. Was actually sold on the 'new' hammocks because it offered a close to horizontal position.

Not looking to convert myself, or others. Just trying to provide a balanced view to people thinking it would solve their bulk/weight issues. It won't. Nough said. Still got them though.
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Old 11-07-2010, 07:18 PM   #67
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I've been spending some time nosing around the Hammock Forum. It appears that many/most of them are backpackers/hikers. They were camping in areas that you couldn't put up a tent if you wanted to. Also no worries about a ranger coming around telling you that you couldn't tie anything around a tree. A hammock would definitely be the thing to have there.

Pretty much answered my question about where to keep your gear also. They either hung the pack from a tree or put it at the base.

Again, realizing that some here are also on that forum, you do have to pick your camping spot when using a hammock, same as tent camping. Might be worth having one as a choice on trips next summer.
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Old 11-07-2010, 07:48 PM   #68
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Old 11-07-2010, 08:08 PM   #69
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I camp in a Warbonnet Blackbird with a Warbonnet Superfly tarp with doors. (I spent the last two nights in it, actually. )


I find sleeping in the hammock immensely more comfortable than sleeping in a tent. I have some back issues (surgery in Dec. '07), and the hammock is the best sleeping solution that I have come across for me.

I don't think that there are real weight advantages to a hammock over a tent. I don’t give a rat's posterior about that, anyway. I use a hammock because of the comfort. I do find the hammock system a little easier to pack in my panniers than a tent because there aren't many hard parts to deal with.

I took a relatively long trip this summer. I camped 17 of the nights. There were a couple of days when I wondered where I'd hang my hammock for the night, but it worked out. YMMV.

I dealt with gear a couple of ways. Sometimes I put it on the bike under my bike cover. I also picked up a second hammock for lounging (hey,it was on sale ) and strung it up under or alongside my Blackbird and stowed my gear in that.

I'll get some more photos up tomorrow.

I love my hammocks.

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Old 11-08-2010, 07:24 AM   #70
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I camp in a Warbonnet Blackbird with a Warbonnet Superfly tarp with doors. (I spent the last two nights in it, actually. )
I took a relatively long trip this summer. I camped 17 of the nights. There were a couple of days when I wondered where I'd hang my hammock for the night, but it worked out. YMMV.

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I read your HR (hang report) on HF and loved it! Did you do a RR here? Maybe a link to the HF article would help some here see the hammock end of moto travel. Please!?
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Old 11-08-2010, 08:24 AM   #71
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great info here!!!! thanks fellows!
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Old 11-08-2010, 11:24 AM   #73
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Hey LD, I've been snooping around HF and I see you're giving up on your idea of a Clark and going WBBB?

I registered over there and still can't view pics or post replies or questions. Emailed the mods twice and still no response. Is this normal over there? Is everyone out sleeping in their hammocks and can't wake up because it's so comfy?
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Old 11-08-2010, 12:50 PM   #74
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Hey LD, I've been snooping around HF and I see you're giving up on your idea of a Clark and going WBBB?

I registered over there and still can't view pics or post replies or questions. Emailed the mods twice and still no response. Is this normal over there? Is everyone out sleeping in their hammocks and can't wake up because it's so comfy?
The mods are volunteers prolly just like here. Might take a minute or 2000 for one to come home from work to see and approve your membership. During research I went from Hennessy to Clark and ended up buying the WBBB 1.7 double with adjustable webbing. The WBBB has a HUGE following over there and for good reason. I got several PMs about "I started with the Clark but ended up getting a WBBB...don't bother with the Clark" type recommendations.

Mine is very well made and when I got it it seemed almost too flimsy until it got set up. It is more stout than it feels and it feels like a cloud to lay in (disclaimer; once set up properly & YMMV). There is a bunch of room to find my sweet spots and that gear shelf is really neat.

Just before the WBBB arrived I bought a Kelty Noah's 12x12 tarp...blasphemy on HF for the gram counters. Then I ordered a Byer Vario hammock stand because my lower Sonoran Desert yard is not overrun with trees. Now the research begins on UQs and TQs and Socks andandand...

Hennesy makes a fine product (mostly in China BTW) but WBBB stomps them on the overall comfort and design IMO (and it is made in Colorado). Clark is a solid set up but complicated and expensive (and uncomfortable according to my sources). When things get no kidding cold even the Clark needs an UQ and a good tarp. I order the WBBB for around $180 and then begin making my kit custom for my needs (moto Vs backpack). Life is good...just figured out how to stuff my Kelty and WBBB into an old book pack to trek to the local park and lounge with a book. Night hangs will begin when Santa's brown truck brings my stand.
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Old 11-08-2010, 12:59 PM   #75
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hammocks are perfect for afternoon naps also.

i bring it along even when we take the camper.
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