Another Ninja Mutation - Page 23

Zapp22 · 10-21-2011, 08:01 AM

kawa's are all heavier than they need to be... as are all adv multicylinder steeds that I know of thus far.
a Versys weighs about 455
I would have thought a suzi SV650 Naked would be sub-400, but alas, it comes in at about 440 wet.

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Originally Posted by ktmklx

No, 2 are quite the same. It seems that availability of the doner dirt bike makes everyone a little different. I think with all the build threads it is pretty easy to slap one together.

Not sure on the weight of mine. Most guys are estimating closer to 400.

pjm204 · 10-24-2011, 03:17 PM

I've narrowed my front end down to a CRF450 or YZ450...I'll be making my decision tonight...any reason to go with one over the other(or neither)? I ordered a 2008 R1 shock. All I need to source is my rear wheel. I also ordered an extra oil pan to mod. Still dreaming up my headlight/fairing.

Can't wait to get started on this build. Should be a nice project to get some use out of my JD Tubing bender(crash bars, maybe headers, and maybe a lower frame cradle.

Also, will I have issues running a 21" front wheel. Seems like everyone goes with a 19" but I'm purchasing a complete front end that will have a 21" front wheel.

sanjoh · 10-24-2011, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by pjm204

Also, will I have issues running a 21" front wheel. Seems like everyone goes with a 19" but I'm purchasing a complete front end that will have a 21" front wheel.

Several have used a 21" wheel without issue. You'll definetly want to look at a brake rotor upgrade.

pjm204 · 10-24-2011, 08:24 PM

I'm having a little trouble sourcing a rear wheel for this build....ktm LC4 wheel 18mm axle correct? looks like the dr650 wheel takes a bit more work? any other choices.

pjm204 · 10-25-2011, 08:02 AM

So what have people done to cure the reduced steering from the USD front ends? I think the YZ450 triples I'm using have 25mm of offset...so maybe it won't be so bad.

pjm204 · 10-25-2011, 02:55 PM

http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=736687

My build thread has begun.

jnorton1 · 12-28-2011, 05:56 PM

What do these weigh in at after you guys are done with them?

ben2go · 12-29-2011, 01:00 PM

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Originally Posted by jnorton1

What do these weigh in at after you guys are done with them?

Most are reporting a dry weight of around, or just under, 400lbs.For a Ptwin adv bike with roughly 80hp,six speed trans,the ability to keep up with or surpass most other dual sport bikes,all while keeping build cost under $3000,it about perfect,IMHO.

ktmklx · 01-28-2012, 08:14 AM

This winter is about refining the bike. Not much work has been done yet, but some. I want to put Pelican cases on the sides of the bike so that is going to require adjusting the rear end a bit. Originally the Ninja rear license plate/directional mount was used on the mutant. By combing the rack rail mounts with the directional mounts, the Ninja mount could be eliminated. A new license plate bracket was also fabricated.

Old design.

New bracket.

New directional mounts and plate bracket.

With Trunk.

ktmklx · 03-20-2012, 08:40 PM

The new fairing mounted very easy but it meant re-designing the wind screen mounts. Spent alot of time looking at how to do this, looked into different windscreens, didn't really want to spend a bunch of money one. Finally came up with this. Three aluminum mounts, 2 above the fairing and 1 below. Also relocated front turn signals so they fit in the fairing cut outs.

Been thinking about how to increase fuel capacity, one idea is to add twin tanks below the ninja tank. Here is one side mocked up. This would require some creative plumbing and a lift pump, but I think I like that challenge.

ben2go · 03-21-2012, 07:44 PM

You shouldn't need more than 1.5 psi to get fuel from the side tanks to the carbs.You could just pump up into the main tank, when the low light comes on,that way the electric pump doesn't run constantly and drain the battery.Just my thoughts.

Multisurface Rider · 03-22-2012, 06:20 AM

Has anyone tried a R1100GS stock tank on these bikes? They are wide and might fit over the frame, problem is you would have to fit the seat also/maybe.

ktmklx · 03-22-2012, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ben2go

You shouldn't need more than 1.5 psi to get fuel from the side tanks to the carbs.You could just pump up into the main tank, when the low light comes on,that way the electric pump doesn't run constantly and drain the battery.Just my thoughts.

Plan on using an impusle pump from a snowmo engine. No electrical load, high volume low pressure pump.

ktmklx · 03-22-2012, 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Multisurface Rider

Has anyone tried a R1100GS stock tank on these bikes? They are wide and might fit over the frame, problem is you would have to fit the seat also/maybe.

I should just buy a Versys tank and be done with it.

ben2go · 03-22-2012, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by ktmklx

Plan on using an impusle pump from a snowmo engine. No electrical load, high volume low pressure pump.

I am in the south east so I never even considered those.I had one on my racing kart.They needed rebuilding frequently,but that may have been a side effect of running methanol.

10-24-2011, 03:17 PM	#332
pjm204 Beastly Adventurer Joined: Jan 2010 Location: Philadelphia, PA Oddometer: 1,256	I've narrowed my front end down to a CRF450 or YZ450...I'll be making my decision tonight...any reason to go with one over the other(or neither)? I ordered a 2008 R1 shock. All I need to source is my rear wheel. I also ordered an extra oil pan to mod. Still dreaming up my headlight/fairing. Can't wait to get started on this build. Should be a nice project to get some use out of my JD Tubing bender(crash bars, maybe headers, and maybe a lower frame cradle. Also, will I have issues running a 21" front wheel. Seems like everyone goes with a 19" but I'm purchasing a complete front end that will have a 21" front wheel. pjm204 screwed with this post 10-24-2011 at 03:23 PM

12-28-2011, 05:56 PM	#337
jnorton1 Gnarly Adventurer Joined: Jan 2011 Location: Loveland Colorado Oddometer: 255	What do these weigh in at after you guys are done with them? __________________ 2001 BMW F650GS Dakar

01-28-2012, 08:14 AM	#339
ktmklx ^OP Studly Adventurer Joined: Jul 2008 Oddometer: 572	working on the details This winter is about refining the bike. Not much work has been done yet, but some. I want to put Pelican cases on the sides of the bike so that is going to require adjusting the rear end a bit. Originally the Ninja rear license plate/directional mount was used on the mutant. By combing the rack rail mounts with the directional mounts, the Ninja mount could be eliminated. A new license plate bracket was also fabricated. Old design. New bracket. New directional mounts and plate bracket. With Trunk.

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10-24-2011, 08:24 PM	#334
pjm204 Beastly Adventurer Joined: Jan 2010 Location: Philadelphia, PA Oddometer: 1,256	I'm having a little trouble sourcing a rear wheel for this build....ktm LC4 wheel 18mm axle correct? looks like the dr650 wheel takes a bit more work? any other choices.

10-25-2011, 08:02 AM	#335
pjm204 Beastly Adventurer Joined: Jan 2010 Location: Philadelphia, PA Oddometer: 1,256	So what have people done to cure the reduced steering from the USD front ends? I think the YZ450 triples I'm using have 25mm of offset...so maybe it won't be so bad.

10-25-2011, 02:55 PM	#336
pjm204 Beastly Adventurer Joined: Jan 2010 Location: Philadelphia, PA Oddometer: 1,256	http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=736687 My build thread has begun.

03-20-2012, 08:40 PM	#340
ktmklx ^OP Studly Adventurer Joined: Jul 2008 Oddometer: 572	The new fairing mounted very easy but it meant re-designing the wind screen mounts. Spent alot of time looking at how to do this, looked into different windscreens, didn't really want to spend a bunch of money one. Finally came up with this. Three aluminum mounts, 2 above the fairing and 1 below. Also relocated front turn signals so they fit in the fairing cut outs. Been thinking about how to increase fuel capacity, one idea is to add twin tanks below the ninja tank. Here is one side mocked up. This would require some creative plumbing and a lift pump, but I think I like that challenge.

03-22-2012, 06:20 AM	#342
Multisurface Rider Gnarly Adventurer Joined: Apr 2009 Location: San Antonio, TX Oddometer: 383	Has anyone tried a R1100GS stock tank on these bikes? They are wide and might fit over the frame, problem is you would have to fit the seat also/maybe.