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Old 09-13-2011, 12:20 PM   #1201
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Just trying to save you some cash. I know it's a lot of reading but there are several examples of curing the fueling with changing the mapping.

Which year bike do you have?
There may be a different map you can try that will get you what you want. Check Alleycatdad's post to see what he did and the results he got. If you have a 2009-2011 Power-Trip has a nice map out, and the 2011 standard map has gotten good reviews. All three of these are richer than the older maps to different degrees, but not fat like the Akro map.
Thanks, for your opinion but us, 08 owners, don't have base to work and it's very difficult to remove all jerk or cut trottle.

I think that the Power Tripp's job will be perfectly for our 08', even if we must add some adjustment...
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Old 09-13-2011, 05:35 PM   #1202
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Thanks, for your opinion but us, 08 owners, don't have base to work and it's very difficult to remove all jerk or cut trottle.

I think that the Power Tripp's job will be perfectly for our 08', even if we must add some adjustment...
Good luck, I hope you get it sorted to your liking. Once you have a cable, it cost nothing to experiment. Changing maps is very quick and easy.
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Old 09-13-2011, 06:57 PM   #1203
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Thanks, for your opinion but us, 08 owners, don't have base to work and it's very difficult to remove all jerk or cut trottle.

I think that the Power Tripp's job will be perfectly for our 08', even if we must add some adjustment...
Copy and paste my friend. Then when done use the compare tool to make sure everything copied over.
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Old 09-14-2011, 05:46 AM   #1204
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Copy and paste my friend. Then when done use the compare tool to make sure everything copied over.
Hey tahoeacr, sorry but I'm a n00b at this. I thought the maps were incompatible because of changes to the actual motor between say a 2008 and a 2010 bike, but from what you're saying, I'm getting that the ECU maps are not compatible, but that I could copy over the values from a 2010 map using TuneECU's copy/paste fetaure (thanks Tom and Alain, great addition!), paste it onto my base 2008 map, and get pretty much the same benefits?
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Old 09-14-2011, 07:42 AM   #1205
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I don't know the specific answer to your question, I''m sure Tahoe will be by shortly.

But I wanted to let you know that if you're gonna try this, you should go straight to the 2011 map and not bother with the 2010. It's much, much better than the 2010, at least on my bike. Better still for me is the Power-tripp akra map, but if I was gonna try this I'd probably go with one of the stock maps the first time just for peace of mind.

You'll need to copy and paste ALL maps, not just the fuel maps, to get a decent result.

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Old 09-14-2011, 04:17 PM   #1206
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Question Any News on compatibly for android phones

Any news on compatibly for android phones, this will be great and BIG Thanks for the guys from http://www.tuneecu.com for the great work.

Waiting for Power Tripp 2007 std file.

Alain is possible to change the temp for start the fan, this will be nice to lower the temp by 20 or more degrades.

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Old 09-14-2011, 06:37 PM   #1207
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For the 07-08 bikes:

I think gefr's post at the top of pg 80 holds some hope. As soon as I get my hands on my cable, I'm going to see waht map I have, find which of the 2 maps we have available to us work best on my bike and try the "never close below 10% secondaries" and see what happens.

On a separate note, does the disable SAS option on tuneecu work without removing the SAS itself? I'm not averse to removing it as I've done it to my 950, just wondering if the ecu mapping saves me the garage time.
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Old 09-15-2011, 12:30 AM   #1208
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My setup

Sorry bouboule, I missed your post. My setup is completely stock european bike 990Adv with NonOvalShape Wings, smaller baffles in. When off throttle it is not exactly smooth but doesn't give you heart attack, as before. Really manageable. Maybe I should try minimum secondaries to 14% as suggested here somewhere. Downside is engine bracking is compromised.
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Old 09-15-2011, 01:13 AM   #1209
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Maybe I should try minimum secondaries to 14% as suggested here somewhere. Downside is engine bracking is compromised.
Cheers.
I dont have an efi bike but I have a question concerning the above statement!
Since the primary butterflies close all the way like in the carbed bikes, why do the secondary ones compromise engine braking? Unless the primary ones do not close all the way, I wouldn't expect the secondaries to have any implication on engine braking. If I am right, maybe the issue of reduced engine braking has to do with some sort of added fuel that goes implicitly together with the movement of the secondaries? Am I talking crap?
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Old 09-15-2011, 01:32 AM   #1210
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Alain is possible to change the temp for start the fan, this will be nice to lower the temp by 20 or more degrades.
No this isn't possible because the fan operates by a thermo switch.
You can change this switch with a lower temp switch .
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I dont have an efi bike but I have a question concerning the above statement!
Since the primary butterflies close all the way like in the carbed bikes, why do the secondary ones compromise engine braking? Unless the primary ones do not close all the way, I wouldn't expect the secondaries to have any implication on engine braking. If I am right, maybe the issue of reduced engine braking has to do with some sort of added fuel that goes implicitly together with the movement of the secondaries? Am I talking crap?
The main purpose of the 2nd valves is to keep the air velocity as high as possible, when moving from a small throttle opening to a big opening.
This means 2 things: you have more power instantly, but it can also be the case that the power rushes in to fast and this feels jerky.
That is why the people increased the opening at small throttle operations(more smooth).


But about the engine braking:
I do think that opening the 2nd more and adding more fuel is less engine braking
Because air can easier enter the engine so the fuel can easier burn = more energy thus less brake.

So if you don't want to decrease the engine brake(to much), then people need or a dyno or datalogger to see what the airfuel ratio is off throttle.
And then take the correct actions.
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Old 09-15-2011, 02:39 AM   #1211
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No this isn't possible because the fan operates by a thermo switch.
You can change this switch with a lower temp switch .
http://www.advmachines.com/category_s/93.htm
Thanks for the answer I have look and found this info in this http://www.advrider.com/forums/showp...5&postcount=53
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Old 09-15-2011, 06:33 AM   #1212
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For the 07-08 bikes:

I think gefr's post at the top of pg 80 holds some hope. As soon as I get my hands on my cable, I'm going to see waht map I have, find which of the 2 maps we have available to us work best on my bike and try the "never close below 10% secondaries" and see what happens.

On a separate note, does the disable SAS option on tuneecu work without removing the SAS itself? I'm not averse to removing it as I've done it to my 950, just wondering if the ecu mapping saves me the garage time.
It works, but still leaves the system open to leaks and runability issues. Plus it's a lot of crap in the way when working on the bike.
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Old 09-15-2011, 08:52 AM   #1213
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But about the engine braking:
I do think that opening the 2nd more and adding more fuel is less engine braking
Because air can easier enter the engine so the fuel can easier burn = more energy thus less brake.
We are talking about engine braking when throttle is fully closed, right?
In that case why do the secondaries have any effect?
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Old 09-15-2011, 12:25 PM   #1214
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I don't know what the engine break when you cut trottle and put on.. I've search about fueling with more of 14.7 or less of 14,7 so poor or richer than stoichoimetric...no result..

I've try to copy the 10 ADV' transition a little better but really I found it's better when you have so more charge on the bike. Example your friend, you, bagage, bag..!

Maybe it'll better when more ignition... I've actually a little second butterfly open at low trottle, it's better than 10 or 15%. that's my opinion...

So after many reflexion, KTM have try to immitated a depression card with EFI system.

The function are the same but so more reactive!!

I haven't all the necessary like dyno or other knock diag tool to adjust really the map. I've only a wideband...
But I think that it's possible to have a perfect smoother on/off and cut trottle!!

So just one more question: why 2 different ignition tab?! On 950 diagram are the same not?even if carbs have different screw... I don't understand that... It's maybe a way!

Thank friends!!!
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Old 09-16-2011, 06:24 AM   #1215
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I've try to copy the 10 ADV' transition a little better but really I found it's better when you have so more charge on the bike. Example your friend, you, bagage, bag..!

But I think that it's possible to have a perfect smoother on/off and cut trottle!!

So just one more question: why 2 different ignition tab?! On 950 diagram are the same not?even if carbs have different screw... I don't understand that... It's maybe a way!

Thank friends!!!
Use the 2011 map, it's better than the 2010 map for on/off throttle. Different ignition tabs for front and back cylinders, same as the fuel tabs. You map each cylinder induvidualy.
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