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Old 07-28-2011, 04:21 AM   #736
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...I met four riders in Cartwright this morning, and they started out from Goose Bay as 12 riders. That rattled me a bit, but the tough sections are where the grader has just been through, and those things are pretty easy to spot.
interesting that you went into Cartwright, very few do these days since the last TLH section was completed. i rode there in the dark last season, don't recommend doing that.

what happened with the other 8 riders? highest attrition i've ever heard.
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Old 07-28-2011, 06:31 AM   #737
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Yeah, jdrocks. Very few people go to Cartwright at all now. I'm glad I did it, though. You can see pictures/read my impressions here: www.thegreataukhunt.blogspot.com.

The group I met in Cartwright (and then again here in Goose Bay) had two riders go down, one broke a rib and punctured his lung, the other hit his head hard enough to crack his helmet and is being kept in the hospital for observation. The rest of them turned back, I think. There's one guy who's continuing on today.

Rob Harris and his friend Jim, whom I met on the ferry, were testing a bike on the Trans Lab, and their trip ended early as well:

http://cmgonline.com/news/2011/07/26...%28CMG+News%29

Ah, well. Let's not dwell on it. If there's a good place to get KLR tires over on the Quebec/Montreal/Toronto side, I may be in need at that point.
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Old 07-28-2011, 06:31 AM   #738
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I met four riders in Cartwright this morning, and they started out from Goose Bay as 12 riders.

What happened to the other 8? Did they really all crash, or did they just skip the ride up to Cartwright and go on to Port Hope Simpson instead?

EDIT: Never mind, you answered at the same time I posted. Let's hope the riders heal up quick!

Happen to know what sort of bikes/tires they were on? (Ie, ADV bikes with knobbies, or were they trying to do the trip on street bikes with street tires?)

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Old 07-28-2011, 07:02 AM   #739
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I can't say for certain, because they aren't here, but I believe they were on DR400's or similar, with knobbies, like the rest of their group.

Apparently they both had quite a bit of off-road experience as well. I don't think the dirt tires are much better than my Mefo's for this stuff. It's just a little skittish, regardless. The South African I met on the ferry is cruising right through with his worn-ass Tourances. It really seems to be just a matter of picking the right line. If you get caught in the places where the gravel heaps up a bit after the grader, it's easy to lose the front crossing the heaps. There's usually a small path with less gravel, though.

I've fishtailed alarmingly a few times, and accelerated out of a bit of a tank-slapper once, but no get-offs. I'm probably making it sound bad, but it's been a blast. Just a little disconcerting with all these accidents around me. Keep in mind, my off-road experience is next to nothing, so what's alarming to me might not be to someone else. I'm able to maintain the speed limit (~45 mph) to as high as 60 mph, for the most part, sometimes a little slower. If I wasn't stopping every five feet to take pictures, I'd be making great time.
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Old 07-28-2011, 07:27 AM   #740
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Thanks Rev for the true info on the road, I bet the ones who came off weren't paying attention to the road surface changes and paid the price. Or, doing the watch this vid clip while riding with one hand at speed holding the camera with the other. The surface sounds much the same as the Dempster, not too bad until you meet the dredded yellow machine the grader making life almost impossible for bikes. It's too bad about the fallen riders all the same and hope they heal fast.
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Old 07-28-2011, 07:51 AM   #741
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damn...he had front and rear knobbies too....

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Old 07-28-2011, 02:44 PM   #742
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damn...he had front and rear knobbies too....
Skill and brains are still required.
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Old 07-28-2011, 04:58 PM   #743
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Old 07-28-2011, 06:02 PM   #744
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damn...he had front and rear knobbies too....

why all the carnage? road looks typical of many TLH sections and should be easy on that bike with the TKCs. the TLH is in much better shape than most of the big gravel roads across the north. wrecked less than 150 miles into the gravel, reminds me of markbvt's friend who also wrecked on the first day riding the same bike, but coming from the other direction.
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Old 07-28-2011, 07:03 PM   #745
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That almost looks like the road into my cabin (my road is a lot steeper) and not nearly as bad as my driveway!

Right Lance? OMG?

And I run that on street tires.

One possibility - his companions may be much better dirt/gravel riders and he was going too fast for his skill level trying to keep up.
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Old 07-28-2011, 07:15 PM   #746
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That almost looks like the road into my cabin (my road is a lot steeper) and not nearly as bad as my driveway!

Right Lance? OMG?

And I run that on street tires.

One possibility - his companions may be much better dirt/gravel riders and he was going too fast for his skill level trying to keep up.
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that steep hill and your driveway are a lot worse!!
i was going about 10 mph when i was on it, though.

you should make a sticker: "This bike climbed Mt. Washington Mike's driveway."
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Old 07-28-2011, 07:51 PM   #747
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That almost looks like the road into my cabin...


One possibility - his companions may be much better dirt/gravel riders and he was going too fast for his skill level trying to keep up.
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nah, the TLH is in much better shape than your road.


the bike in the photo was one of a two rider trip and in the lead, not following. your point is well made, and makes me wonder about the circumstances in that group of 12.

this road is similar to the others in that tracks get worn through the aggregate and expose the hardpacked and smooth subgrade. the aggregate windrows alongside the pairs of tracks in each direction. the tracks can make for some decent speeds, but if you wander off your line or are forced off by passing traffic...into the marbles you go.
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Old 07-28-2011, 07:55 PM   #748
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that steep hill and your driveway are a lot worse!!
i was going about 10 mph when i was on it, though.

you should make a sticker: "This bike climbed Mt. Washington Mike's driveway."
I agree, here are the shots leaving Mike's place April 4, 2010



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Old 07-28-2011, 08:15 PM   #749
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i was going about 10 mph when i was on it, though.

you should make a sticker: "This bike climbed Mt. Washington Mike's driveway."
I thought I was being a wimp when I hit it with BB.

The road into Mikes (not the last 200 feet) was in similar shape to the roads in Death Valley.
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My friend Kevin was concerned about me riding the Beemer on the gravel with the street tires and I told him that the only difference between the the Beemer and my SuperMoto was gearing. Otherwise they both handled the same in the marbles.
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