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Old 11-14-2010, 07:21 PM   #16
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Can't say much about any of the non-North-America maps.... but:

This is the basemap. With no maps on the data card (or no data card present), this is what you'll see. Basemap is in the firmware on the receiver itself, this cannot be modified.
Map at my location and the "Find" page.


Same location with CityNavigator loaded. You'll see *all* the streets, and street names for damn near every single one of them. Pressing "Find" brings up the Find page with a ton of categories. I picked "Food", then "Rib City Grill".


Topo has the roads, but only the major ones have any sort of name. These roads aren't routable... I picked a waypoint and it got me to an intersection nearby then told me to turn left. If I follow that route it'd have me going over fences and through backyards. It does, however, have topo lines. One of them is visible in the Map page below. The POI's on topo are quite useless.
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Old 11-14-2010, 10:30 PM   #17
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Snow mule,

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Old 11-15-2010, 08:08 AM   #18
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Excellent screen shots snowmule.

I ordered my copy of City Navigator last night.
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Old 12-02-2010, 11:07 PM   #19
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Guys,
I am back for more.

Found this free map...


http://garmin.na1400.info/routable.php


It's a Wiki map project...

Would some of you knowledgeable mappers please comment.

It seems to have lots of detail. IT IS FREE, not pirated Garmin mapping but compatible with Mapsource and Garmin units

Is the detail better than World map or City Navigator?
They say it is routable.

McNut, Countdown, Snow mule, others can you help clarify what this is and if it will work and on the detail.

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Old 12-03-2010, 11:32 AM   #20
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Bill, I had to go back and reread your OP to see where were at. I think you need to better define what kind of map detail/info you need and for what parts of the world. If you want routable topo maps of the planet at your disposal, the GPS hardware and maps of today are not at that level of development. I'm not sure a thread about GPS map sets of the USA and of western Europe will have any relevance to the same discussion about those of "3rd world countries".

As for the link, you may need to be the guinea pig/evaluator. That site is very clunky on my W7/IE8 machine. I never was able to navigate to anything useful, maybe you will have better luck. The open source maps are getting better at an exponential rate and I'm sure some are very good today but I don't see them surpassing the commercial offerings any time soon. I haven't found an OS map (USA) yet that had me overwriting or even supplementing my commercial maps. I think the future of the open source maps are niche markets that the big guys choose ignore.

To use a computer analogy; A little like buying a new computer loaded with W7 and then relying on "Word Pad" in Accessories for your word processing. At least buy MS Works or download free open source office. But don't be surprised if a power user of MS Office isn't impressed with MS Works or the open source office for that matter.

I still think "you get what you pay for" still applies to some degree, value - that's another matter. Personally I think the price of CityNav is very reasonable for what you are getting.

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Old 12-04-2010, 08:04 AM   #21
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bill, that site is very clunky on my w7/ie8 machine. I never was able to navigate to anything useful, maybe you will have better luck.
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Old 12-04-2010, 07:59 PM   #22
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just tried myself.
that has to be the worst performing website of all time.

i did execute a test however.
-click on the box next to reset at the top.
-click the tiles & then enter email on the left side above the map and build it.

guess we'll see what shows up.

...just got an email with a 98mb mapsorce installer of all of central america.
if this works and it's routable that will be way cool!

it's installed (mapsource .exe installer) maps are decent for sure. alot detail missing in alot of smaller places. routing is ok. it's free.

i'd buy CN for us and bicimaps for mex & CA.
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Old 12-04-2010, 11:26 PM   #23
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Bill, I had to go back and reread your OP to see where were at. I think you need to better define what kind of map detail/info you need and for what parts of the world. If you want routable topo maps of the planet at your disposal, the GPS hardware and maps of today are not at that level of development. I'm not sure a thread about GPS map sets of the USA and of western Europe will have any relevance to the same discussion about those of "3rd world countries".

As for the link, you may need to be the guinea pig/evaluator. That site is very clunky on my W7/IE8 machine. I never was able to navigate to anything useful, maybe you will have better luck. The open source maps are getting better at an exponential rate and I'm sure some are very good today but I don't see them surpassing the commercial offerings any time soon. I haven't found an OS map (USA) yet that had me overwriting or even supplementing my commercial maps. I think the future of the open source maps are niche markets that the big guys choose ignore.

To use a computer analogy; A little like buying a new computer loaded with W7 and then relying on "Word Pad" in Accessories for your word processing. At least buy MS Works or download free open source office. But don't be surprised if a power user of MS Office isn't impressed with MS Works or the open source office for that matter.

I still think "you get what you pay for" still applies to some degree, value - that's another matter. Personally I think the price of CityNav is very reasonable for what you are getting.

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Hi Bruce,
Thanks for the response, it's appreciated.

For my riding it is always in some place with few people and poor mapping.
It seems like I end up in Utah on the wrong side of the Green River or somewhere in Montana or Idaho with roads that aren't on the GPS map. Even around my house in northern Wisconsin using Roads and Rec, things are sometimes incomplete as far as the county roads are concerned.

In a month I am off to northern Guatemala and will ride through Mexico and Belize. So I am looking for a solid 'World Map' and then detail for the USA especially off road stuff. I have nothing against paying for Garmin products. We have half a dozen Garmin GPS's floating around in the family and a bunch of Garmin maps.

I used an old Garmin Emap with World map to ride From the Yukon to Tierra del Fuego and back and then across Russia and Mongolia to Europe. It all worked OK, I just thought thing might have gotten better.

I read this thread on Horizons...

http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/hub...gps-maps-43288

So I thought i better come back and check things out.

I never have had auto routing, mostly I just want to see where the road goes or what the options are. I have seen auto routing work and I like it in the cities but for the rest my riding it's not so necessary. I just want to see all the roads in the world on my GPS. I would like to see Garmin World map on steroids.

My machine(a KTM 640 Adventure) carries almost eight gallons of gas. I rarely ride the Interstates. Sometimes I get really lost.
I would like to set up my GPS and leave my computer at home
bill

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Bruce, I am sad to say your analogy to computers goes way over my head.
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Old 12-04-2010, 11:33 PM   #24
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Eakins,

"i'd buy CN for us and bicimaps for mex & CA."

What are bicimaps
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mostly I just want to see where the road goes or what the options are......... I just want to see all the roads in the world on my GPS.
I think this is the down fall for your use.

As you probably know GPS units and maps have in the past been very poor for big picture, where do all the roads go planning/navigation, and even with new maps, bigger and better screens they............ still are crap for that.

Planning and big picture leave to paper maps using GPS for location, not the other way around.

For the US:
As old as R&R is I think 95% of the road miles shown are still valid, probably more. I think by going with CN that might improve to 99% but will cost $80. Add Topo for geographic info if needed. I often switch between CN, R&R and Topo while out in the field. I have been offroad in Moab, Green River and the San Rafael Swell, doubt the roads have changed much in the last 20 years. Some use closures but that is a slightly more complicated matter.

I will leave recommendations for CA and Guatemala to others.

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I think this is the down fall for your use.

As you probably know GPS units and maps have in the past been very poor for big picture, where do all the roads go planning/navigation, and even with new maps, bigger and better screens they............ still are crap for that.

Planning and big picture leave to paper maps using GPS for location, not the other way around.

For the US:
As old as R&R is I think 95% of the road miles shown are still valid, probably more. I think by going with CN that might improve to 99% but will cost $80. Add Topo for geographic info if needed. I often switch between CN, R&R and Topo while out in the field. I have been offroad in Moab, Green River and the San Rafael Swell, doubt the roads have changed much in the last 20 years. Some use closures but that is a slightly more complicated matter.

I will leave recommendations for CA and Guatemala to others.

Bruce
Hi Bruce and thanks.
All your input really helps. With Christmas coming I think CN is a safe bet for me.
I have all the rest of the maps for the USA.
If CN is any good at all in Mexico that would be a big plus.

I'll go over on Horizons and check with some of the world travelers there to see how World map compares to the OSM maps. That should wrap it up if I can figure out how to load everything up.
Again thanks.
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Eakins,
what are bicimaps?
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Mexico maps, just do a goggle search or look here:

http://www.bicimapas.com.mx/English.htm

and

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=532667

And there are other GPS map threads in the same forum "GPS Outer Darkness"

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Mexico maps, just do a goggle search or look here:

http://www.bicimapas.com.mx/English.htm

and

http://www.advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=532667

And there are other GPS map threads in the same forum "GPS Outer Darkness"

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Hi Bruce,
Thanks for the link.

Do you know if Bicimapas is any better than City Nav. I just ordered CN.
Says it includes Mexico.
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Old 12-28-2010, 10:04 AM   #30
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Making City nav portable

Hi everyone,
I got City Nav for Christmas and I want to install it on my GPSmap 60csx.
It is in DVD form.

The instructions are simple to install it on my computer but I plan to travel and I don't plan to take my computer along. Once I load it on my computer I understand that I can transfer it to my own SD cards. I want to break it down into sections of the USA so that I can use other maps for those areas and not exceed the tile limit as discussed earlier in this thread.

My question is about the install on my computer. Can I run the DVD on another unit after it is installed on mine, or is it a one shot deal?
It would be easy to carry the DVD with me?

Should I have bought the SD card format instead of the DVD?

Can I move the information to some kind of mass storage so I can travel with it and not have to haul my computer along to get at the data?

Or must I use my computer to transfer the data to SD cards once I commit the DVD to it?

And will these SD cards only work in my GPS unit, not for instance my son's 60csx which also has City Nav installed?

I don't understand the rules and Garmin is not specific at all in the instructions they provide.

Thanks and Merry Christmas, Happy New Year,
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