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Old 01-20-2012, 09:35 AM   #2161
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Hopefully these things will plug into the new water cooled power plants soon to be @ a dealer near you.
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Old 01-20-2012, 11:21 AM   #2162
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Good review and thanks...could you clarify, your second paragraph, does that "-20 setting" listing of "advantages" include use of the BP? Or does only the IICE give them ["It didn't seem any different from my BP".] ? At -10 you do not have this advantages?

I am reading between the lines, but it sounds like you prefer the -10 because "I get a smoother engine and better fuel economy" for on road riding and less for off road, slow speed, subtle throttle. Could you elaborate. Thanks.

As I mentioned, I could not tell any difference between the BP and the IICE Air set at -20. So the advantages (or disadvantages) I felt with the IICE at -20 would also apply to the BP

Yes, you read it correctly. I prefer the -10 setting. It's probably does not perfect the way my engine runs but I really feel it's better on the overall than the -20 setting. I really like the added smoothness of the engine and better fuel economy but do not like the slightly increased snatchiness of the throttle (which should later on be addressed by the IICE Cool) and the ever so slight hesitation at the 3K rpm range. Obviously, the increased throttle snatchiness will really be felt during slow speed (and off-road) riding when lots of on-and-off throttle twisting is done.

I won't even bother testing the bike on the -30 setting...
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Old 01-20-2012, 01:17 PM   #2163
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As I mentioned, I could not tell any difference between the BP and the IICE Air set at -20. So the advantages (or disadvantages) I felt with the IICE at -20 would also apply to the BP

Yes, you read it correctly. I prefer the -10 setting. It's probably does not perfect the way my engine runs but I really feel it's better on the overall than the -20 setting. I really like the added smoothness of the engine and better fuel economy but do not like the slightly increased snatchiness of the throttle (which should later on be addressed by the IICE Cool) and the ever so slight hesitation at the 3K rpm range. Obviously, the increased throttle snatchiness will really be felt during slow speed (and off-road) riding when lots of on-and-off throttle twisting is done.

I won't even bother testing the bike on the -30 setting...

Round about what was the ambient temp when you were riding/testing?
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Old 01-20-2012, 06:39 PM   #2164
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Round about what was the ambient temp when you were riding/testing?

Daytime weather goes from 20-28degC.
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Old 01-20-2012, 07:13 PM   #2165
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Daytime weather goes from 20-28degC.
68-82.4 degrees F ...unless I missed my conversion...are you in Florida?

Damn..don't you know it is Winter...

So -10 the "hot" setting is best at these temps on your particular bike for the way you ride it...stretch that to 100+ F, will it just get better?

I am still looking for the complete understanding of when you could guess that a particular setting might provide the optimal results...smoother everything..Hopefully there will be enough overlap that I don't need -10 at 90 F; -20 at 55 F and -30 at 33 F. Time and experimentation will tell and that part is fun, if it results in good predictive dial-in set-up guidelines. My riding and my bike are unique however hopefully I can find repeatable sweet spots for the settings under similar conditions. No perfection just the best possible.
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Old 01-21-2012, 04:02 AM   #2166
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68-82.4 degrees F ...unless I missed my conversion...are you in Florida?

Damn..don't you know it is Winter...

So -10 the "hot" setting is best at these temps on your particular bike for the way you ride it...stretch that to 100+ F, will it just get better?

I am still looking for the complete understanding of when you could guess that a particular setting might provide the optimal results...smoother everything..Hopefully there will be enough overlap that I don't need -10 at 90 F; -20 at 55 F and -30 at 33 F. Time and experimentation will tell and that part is fun, if it results in good predictive dial-in set-up guidelines. My riding and my bike are unique however hopefully I can find repeatable sweet spots for the settings under similar conditions. No perfection just the best possible.

I'm currently based in Manila, Philippines where riding season is the whole year 'round

I guess I've concluded that the -10 setting is the best for my bike at the riding conditions I'm in. YMMV as you guys ride in much cooler temps. I'm just happy that I've found -10 to be the best since this is the only setting where the forthcoming IICE Cool will work with.

You can't get the perfect set-up and for me, -10 would be the best compromise. On occasion, it does get colder than usual here and I would think that the -20 setting would be optimal. But the differences are so minute that I found that adjusting it based on what the current temps are more of a waste of time and effort than anything else.

Again, I just found my own sweet spot by feel. That is also because until now, I really don't understand why the hotter it gets, the less temp adjustment the engine needs (according to Poolside). Seems counter-intuitive to me. But hey, -10 works fine for me. Poolside is spot-on

After using the BP for some 7 months on its hard-coded -20 setting, I thought it was a blast. And it was, until I got the IICE and got some more improvement using the -10 setting.

Have you received yours already? I'm thinking not yet
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Old 01-21-2012, 06:31 AM   #2167
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Old 01-21-2012, 11:24 AM   #2168
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Thanks OCJ

Your input and experience has helped me try to wrap my mind around when to use what setting on the IICE.

Much is counter intuitive to me also. But as JJ said, if I get this correct, it is about the fuel vaporization vs temp.

And I assume fooling the BMW by -10 in high vaporization/ high temp introduces a slightly richer mix cuz most of the fuel is being vaporized and less additional fuel is needed..... as opposed to a -30 fake out which dumps more fuel when less is being vaporized [low temp] and hence the engine needs more fuel not less.

It still is counter intuitive to me since I have always envisioned the air density vs fuel ratio as the critical relationship and by putting more fuel in under lower air temps [denser] you will get more vapor to ignite by shear fuel volume increase but also this means more raw fuel [overly rich] to wash down cylinders and get into lubricant.

Damn I wished I had a clear image of how each setting works so that I could adjust the settings to meet my needs. I feel like Dumber of Dumb and Dumber.

Ps....Humidity where you are is probably slightly above our 10-20% here during Summer That at some level enters into this fuel/air discussion as well.

PPs..No, I have not received my IICE yet; but then again it is snowing hard here now.
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Old 01-21-2012, 11:33 AM   #2169
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Daytime weather goes from 20-28degC.
Thanks.

One other thing that if you did post it I don't recall is about your bike. Are you running the stock exhaust and/or any other mods? These would also make difference, along with ambient temp, on which setting to use for those that are still working on sorting out settings.
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Old 01-21-2012, 12:44 PM   #2170
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Speaking of mods,should I put my little pink relay back in or does it matter.
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Old 01-21-2012, 02:02 PM   #2171
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Speaking of mods,should I put my little pink relay back in or does it matter.
OK, I missed this memo...what "little pink relay"?
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Old 01-21-2012, 03:08 PM   #2172
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yes,and dont forget to zip up
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Old 01-21-2012, 06:32 PM   #2173
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Speaking of mods,should I put my little pink relay back in or does it matter.
This isn't JM, the mods don't patrol here very often, so not to worry - leave the little pink guy hanging out.

Chances are no one will notice.
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Old 01-21-2012, 07:07 PM   #2174
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Here's the big list of customer initials and destination states.

B.B.Y., NJ
R.S., CA
P.B., OR
J.R.T., CO
M.S., CA
G.C., NH
D.L., CO
L.S., TX
S.P., CO
R.S., TX
M.K., WI
T.T., TN
K.A., WI
A.B., CT
K.D., VA
D.M., WA
R.L., CA
J.P., TN
C.R., CA
D.S., PA
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D.T., TX
J.Y., CA
M.L., NJ
M.W., GA
R.H., VA
D.M., WA
J.P., TX
C.M., CA
M.P., FL
J.M., MI
G.H., WA
S.B., LA
L.D., WA
G.K.W., APO/AE
C.K., FL
A.C., TX
M.F., MI
M.P., SC
J.L., TX
M.C., CO
F.F., FL
A.G., TX
R.B., NM
V.T., WA
W.R.D., OH
P.C., CA
B.W., IL
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J.C., CA
D.B., PA
R.F., GA
R.L., NY
K.W., CA
M.M., IL
D.C., VA
M.H., IL
J.W., CA
D.R., CA
J.N., AZ
J.S., HI
T.V., OR
S.B., OK
D.W., NC
G.A., CA
B.C., CA
G.B., TX
P.C., CA
J.K., KS
S.B., IL
K.Y., CA
R.B., MS
M.C., GA
J.F., GA
G.F., AZ
C.B., CO
D.P.P., MI
D.R., VA
K.F., CA
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K.D., CO
J.S., ID
D.L., CA
K.V.U., CA
J.K., AR
G.R., NH
H.B., CO
J.G., WA
F.C., MS
J.V., VA
M.F., CA
J.H., CA
USBA, IN
D.B., NJ
J.L., MO
D.H., CA
R.W., KY
S.S., WA
D.V., WA
K.S., MO
K.P., IL
J.B., FL
W.G., CO
M.C., CA
E.S., CA
D.B., CA
R.D., CA
M.C., WA
M.F., TX
M.G., DE
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T.M., TX
A.H., OR
E.A., NV
GEI, OR
G.H., CO
J.J., CA
J.H., OR
M.D., AR
W.W., ID
M.J.S., CA
R.P., GA
A.H., TX
M.M., CA
E.C., CA
M.S., CA
M.S., MI
C.T., CA
M.M., CO


That amounts to 140 pieces. (Plus any additional last minute entries that is. )

The batches of 30 are divided with dashes.
A batch may have less than 30 names as some people ordered more than one.

Cool, I'm on the list. In orange text even. Must mean I'm speshull or sumtin'.
Seriously, I'm glad I got to order one of these, as I just became an R1100GS owner last month. Thanks Poolside for offering latecomers a chance to get in the game.
I'll look forward to trying it out when the snow melts and the roads are dry.
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Old 01-21-2012, 08:46 PM   #2175
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Speaking of mods,should I put my little pink relay back in or does it matter.
Depends whether you have an aftermarket exhaust or not.
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