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Old 06-14-2011, 10:05 AM   #916
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Oh great, give marketing ideas!
Sheesh you know what marketing types are like!
Like a boxer w/ a new chew toy!
They'll come up w/ campaigns, gewgaws souvenirs and want immediate production of them setting back the product line, well never see the good stuff....................
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Old 06-14-2011, 12:17 PM   #917
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Are there gonna be T-shirts and stickers and stuff available from the Marketing Dept.?

"IICE Air: Worth the wait"

"IICE Cool: In like a glacier, out like a hotrod"



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Oh great, give marketing ideas!
Sheesh you know what marketing types are like!
Like a boxer w/ a new chew toy!
They'll come up w/ campaigns, gewgaws souvenirs and want immediate production of them setting back the product line, well never see the good stuff....................
The marketing dept is all a twitter and remembers this Blazing Saddles quote

Hedley Lamarr: My mind is aglow with whirling, transient nodes of thought careening through a cosmic vapor of invention.

Taggart: Ditto.

Hedley Lamarr: "Ditto?" "Ditto," you provincial putz?


And for starters here is our first slogan
I survived the
"But wait, there's more!!!!"


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Old 06-14-2011, 12:50 PM   #918
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Laugh

How about
I survived the "oh crap, I didn't forsee that happening. Backup a step"
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Old 06-14-2011, 05:32 PM   #919
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Poolside, thanks for your efforts.
Having done many small (and large) design/production runs I know how it can be.

And, that is why I don't do that anymore.
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Old 06-16-2011, 10:29 AM   #920
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The marketing dept is all a twitter and remembers this Blazing Saddles quote

Hedley Lamarr: My mind is aglow with whirling, transient nodes of thought careening through a cosmic vapor of invention.

Taggart: Ditto.

Hedley Lamarr: "Ditto?" "Ditto," you provincial putz?
In addition to Hedley Lamarr, I sometimes have a different take on the good old Marketing Department.





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Old 06-16-2011, 10:39 AM   #921
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So True!!!
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Old 06-16-2011, 11:57 AM   #922
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Thanks for the various props, fellas. Here's a little Assembly report.


I had to de-solder a small batch of the thermistors (that means remove them from the board). The reason I did that was to use a different assembly order. For example, I discovered it works better to solder the thermistors to the board before the vial is attached, not after. So I de-soldered a small number of them to try the new assembly order.

Before de-soldering, I referred to the datasheet to see about the maximum solder time and temperature curves for the thermistors. Many times a temperature sensing part cannot withstand a solder, de-solder, and another solder operation. So I checked to make sure.

While looking through the datasheet, I happened to notice the words "no water". And I think, uh oh, I better read that. The way this IICE Air is designed, the thermistor sensing elements are exposed to the air. And that could include water from time to time.

Why didn't I read the entire datasheet first? Well my excuse is, the other times I've designed thermistors into a circuit, all I check for in the data sheet are the temperature/resistance coefficients. In this case, I noted the resistance data, also read that the thermistor element is encapsulated in epoxy, and figured I had what I needed.

Here is a pic of the thermistor.




And a close up of the epoxy encapsulation. This is how they leave the factory. Looks damn water resistant to me, dangit!




Apparently not. In the section of the datasheet titled "cleaning" it states that "water-based cleaning is not allowed". And several other mentions of "no water" this or that are mentioned.

This seems crazy to me. I mean, I've designed water temperature controllers for Jacuzzi®, and there wasn't any problem with water touching the sensing element. Truth be told, I didn't read the whole datasheet then either. So if you bought a Jacuzzi brand spa around '00-'01 and it suffered from a faulty temperature control, that was me.
(I'm just making a joke. :-) There were no failures.)

Anyway, this datasheet is emphatic about no water in contact with the sensing element. Ok, we can do that. I had some white lacquer nail polish on hand for marking fasteners, and I dipped a sensor in to see how the coating would take. Looks right to me.



Nail lacquer is pretty durable stuff, but it isn't quite lacquer paint. I'll pick up some genuine lacquer paint to ensure a water tight seal on these sensors.

I'll check in again later.



p.s.: I just want to let everyone know that I wish I weren't writing this type of report, you know? I'd much rather be saying. "Hey, they're all done! And I just dropped them off at the Post Office!"



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Old 06-16-2011, 12:05 PM   #923
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looks like my T-shirt suggestion is becoming more viable....

I survived the "oh crap, I didn't forsee that happening. Backup a step"

Keep at at it. we all await the good stuff.
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Old 06-16-2011, 01:35 PM   #924
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Measure twice, cut once. Keep doing it right. Ain't nobody dying here. Except ghost. ;) lol
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Old 06-16-2011, 06:41 PM   #925
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Nail lacquer is pretty durable stuff, but it isn't quite lacquer paint. I'll pick up some genuine lacquer paint to ensure a water tight seal on these sensors.

Jim, a little curious about why you would use lacquer paint and not an epoxy or urethane paint instead. Is it due to a thermal conductivity of lacquer that the others don't have?
Coming from the automotive paint world, lacquer will resist water short term but long term moisture will still penetrate it. It also has tendencies of becoming more brittle over time and heat cycles.

FYI, I still prefer using a lacquer product for most all of my restorations as it has a more period correct appearance, easier to control the end result and doesn't give nasty side effects.

And thank you for the time explaining as you go as there are portions of this thread that I have had to dig deep to keep up with.
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I just gotta chime in here and say how amazing this whole process has been.

From the very inception of the idea, to the design possibilities, to the implementation, but most emphatically the response of the ADV'rs who continually encourage and offer suggestions and insights to this portion of the process, I am amazed.

I would hazard a guess that most have very little idea of what it takes to produce a product like this. The degree of creativity and ingenuity needed, let alone handling the other steps (shipping, tracking, order taking, dealing with the customer etc.) is a monumental challenge.

A few here have, been there, done that, and lived to tell about it, and have posted as such. But to have this group of motorcyclists be willing to support this endeavor and stay the course is truly ADV at it's best.

My hat is off to everyone who is even remotely involved with this project.

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Old 06-16-2011, 11:22 PM   #927
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FYI, I still prefer using a lacquer product for most all of my restorations as it has a more period correct appearance, easier to control the end result and doesn't give nasty side effects.

And thank you for the time explaining as you go as there are portions of this thread that I have had to dig deep to keep up with.
Well, this is a Hot Rod product, so lacquer was the natural choice.


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Old 06-17-2011, 12:48 AM   #928
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I'm thinking you should add ribs for her pleasure...

Now...I am very impressed with your tenacity.

Thanks for your efforts.

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Old 06-17-2011, 07:52 AM   #929
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I'm thinking you should add ribs for her pleasure...

Now...I am very impressed with your tenacity.

Thanks for your efforts.

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That would work only on the R1100's as it is placed under the seat.
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Well, this is a Hot Rod product, so lacquer was the natural choice.


Ol skool in a techy environment, gotta love it.
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