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Old 03-11-2013, 07:40 PM   #1111
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Noob question re 650 seat height

Hi, Everyone,

This is my first post on the entire forum. I have a question about seat height on the G-650-GS.

About me: I'm 5'7", and I will take the MSF Basic Rider Course in early April 2013. Right now, I am researching bikes, and BMW has caught my interest. When I'm on a still G-650-GS (or any other bike for that matter), should my feet be flat on the ground? I sat on a G-650 in a dealer's showroom this past weekend, and I could only get my toes and the balls of my feet on the ground. That made me uncomfortable; I don't like to be on my toes on bicycles. The salesman said that was okay, but, hey, he's a salesman...I'll trust him to a point.

So, do my feet need to be flat on the ground when the bike is standing still?

This must be the noob-iest question of all time, but I gotta start somewhere and I trust the forum.

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Old 03-11-2013, 07:58 PM   #1112
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Hi, Everyone,

This is my first post on the entire forum. I have a question about seat height on the G-650-GS.

About me: I'm 5'7", and I will take the MSF Basic Rider Course in early April 2013. Right now, I am researching bikes, and BMW has caught my interest. When I'm on a still G-650-GS (or any other bike for that matter), should my feet be flat on the ground? I sat on a G-650 in a dealer's showroom this past weekend, and I could only get my toes and the balls of my feet on the ground. That made me uncomfortable; I don't like to be on my toes on bicycles. The salesman said that was okay, but, hey, he's a salesman...I'll trust him to a point.

So, do my feet need to be flat on the ground when the bike is standing still?

This must be the noob-iest question of all time, but I gotta start somewhere and I trust the forum.

-JR
1. Welcome to the asylum
2. You don't need your feet to touch the ground, I only get a bit more than my toes on my f800gs
3. your in the wrong forum, here is parellel universe, not thumper
4. go fill up that profile, noob!
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Old 03-11-2013, 08:01 PM   #1113
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So, do my feet need to be flat on the ground when the bike is standing still?
I don't remember the last time I was flat footed on my bikes.

No, you don't need to be but should you be?....sounds like in your case. If you're buying a shiny new bike and are a relatively new rider then being flat footed will give you more confidence. If the Dealer was worth anything he would have put the "low" seat on it for you. My GF started out with the low seat on both her bikes before graduating to the standard seat. The low seat is low because they remove half the foam making it more uncomfortable on a long journey. That's why I don't use one. I accept the fact that I will dump it one day from it being too tall for me.

You can also get a lowered bike with a standard seat.

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Old 03-11-2013, 08:10 PM   #1114
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Can't we all just get along?

Yeah, fill in your location so we know which country you're in at least. Don't put "Studly Adventurer" under your Avatar until you're big and brave like the rest of us.
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Old 03-11-2013, 08:41 PM   #1115
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Hi, Everyone,

This is my first post on the entire forum. I have a question about seat height on the G-650-GS.

About me: I'm 5'7", and I will take the MSF Basic Rider Course in early April 2013. Right now, I am researching bikes, and BMW has caught my interest. When I'm on a still G-650-GS (or any other bike for that matter), should my feet be flat on the ground? I sat on a G-650 in a dealer's showroom this past weekend, and I could only get my toes and the balls of my feet on the ground. That made me uncomfortable; I don't like to be on my toes on bicycles. The salesman said that was okay, but, hey, he's a salesman...I'll trust him to a point.

So, do my feet need to be flat on the ground when the bike is standing still?

This must be the noob-iest question of all time, but I gotta start somewhere and I trust the forum.

-JR
At 5' 7" you won't find many bikes, with the exception of cruisers, where you can get your feet flat. You will learn to slide ahead and to the side to get a foot down.
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Old 03-12-2013, 03:56 AM   #1116
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Old 03-12-2013, 04:26 AM   #1117
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I have a question about seat height on the G-650-GS.

About me: I'm 5'7", and I will take the MSF Basic Rider Course in early April 2013. Right now, I am researching bikes, and BMW has caught my interest. When I'm on a still G-650-GS (or any other bike for that matter), should my feet be flat on the ground? I sat on a G-650 in a dealer's showroom this past weekend, and I could only get my toes and the balls of my feet on the ground. That made me uncomfortable;
So, do my feet need to be flat on the ground when the bike is standing still?
The only bike I have EVER been able to touch with both feet is my Trials bike!!

As a beginner, you will feel more confident touching with both feet, but as your experience grows it won't be as much of an issue.

5'7" with a 27" inseam. I can barely touch with one foot.

Remember that touching with running shoes in the showroom is much easier than touching with motorcycle boots.......

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Old 03-12-2013, 05:35 AM   #1118
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Huh? You must have some whopping big running shoes!

Anyway, regarding heights, I just got my first GS and ordered the factory-lowered suspension model of the 2013 F800GS, and even so, sitting on the bike (with motorcycle boots on) on flat ground I cannot flat foot it. I am a little concerned about that and hope that I'll be able to get used to it.

On my K1300GT I CAN flat foot it on level ground, but I've got to tell you that the road's not always flat and you cannot always control where you have to stop, especially if riding in city traffic. There are plenty of slanted roads, dips and even potholes (heck, we've got some potholes that could swallow a VW Beetle!) and there have been MANY times when I stopped with that bike that I was only able to touch with the tiptoes of one foot.

So my strong advice to you, especially regarding a first bike, is to start with something you can comfortably reach the ground with, flat footing on level ground, while wearing appropriate riding boots. Even then you're going to drop the bike, and probably more than once.

The 650 you sat on in the showroom, was the bike on the center stand when you did that? If so, the bike will be lower when it's properly on the ground. You could also investigate getting a lower seat (and/or lowered suspension).

I think the 650GS is a terrific bike and if you start with that you may end up loving it so much that you'll never want to get rid of it.

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Old 03-12-2013, 05:57 AM   #1119
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So my strong advice to you, especially regarding a first bike, is to start with something you can comfortably reach the ground with, flat footing on level ground, while wearing appropriate riding boots. Even then you're going to drop the bike, and probably more than once.

I think the 650GS is a terrific bike and if you start with that you may end up loving it so much that you'll never want to get rid of it.
All of what he said! Good luck with the new GS Mtl Biker. Just remember that when people see a damaged GT they go "poor thing" and when they see a damaged GS they go "Cool!"

To the OP:

If you really want a G650GS but are afraid to scratch it then get an older F650GS single first for 1/3 the price and go learn without fear. Then when you're ready, go buy a new one. Otherwise you may become a fair weather biker who polishes chrome on weekends.
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Old 03-12-2013, 06:32 AM   #1120
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I'm wondering about the Gal till Empty read out on my '09 F650GS. The most I have seen, after a fill up is >102. Later that day I saw >85, I assume that until you get down to the last gallon or two it just says >X? I guess it really depends on riding style, just trying to get a better idea of range for my bike and starting to see that maybe the Gal till Empty is not the best measuring point.
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Old 03-12-2013, 06:43 AM   #1121
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You are right, the riding style plays a big role in milage.

fyiw my 2010 f650gs get a high of around 65mpg while riding secondary roads..45-60 mph. range over 220 miles

on the other end riding 75-80 with Jessie bags and top case(yes these make a difference) into a significant head wind across alberta i got about 45mpg range 150 miles.

If you are off road, always in lower gears, in sand or mud (high drag) you will be pretty poor milage there too

on my bike the gas warning like come on with about a gallon left in the tank.

hope this helps
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Old 03-12-2013, 06:59 AM   #1122
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I'm wondering about the Gal till Empty read out on my '09 F650GS. The most I have seen, after a fill up is >102. Later that day I saw >85, I assume that until you get down to the last gallon or two it just says >X? I guess it really depends on riding style, just trying to get a better idea of range for my bike and starting to see that maybe the Gal till Empty is not the best measuring point.
Your manual explains it further. The tank is higher in places than the float travel so distance to empty is an educated guess. It changes it's mind according to riding conditions also. Cruising on the highway at 80 MPH it'll read XX to empty then if you slow down to 40 MPH for a bit it will read a higher distance to empty. Nowhere near an absolute value but much better than an idiot light. I've run 15 miles past "0" many times. It shows -- on the display. Lets not start another thread on how bad it is for your fuel cooled fuel pump to run in a low tank guys.
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Old 03-12-2013, 09:48 AM   #1123
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Lets not start another thread on how bad it is for your fuel cooled fuel pump to run in a low tank guys.

Well since you brought it up!
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Old 03-12-2013, 11:14 AM   #1124
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My 2011 800GS shows how many miles you travel since the low fuel light came on. it stumped me at first when the miles kept going up the further I went.
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Old 03-12-2013, 01:56 PM   #1125
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Yeah I have mostly hwy miles under my belt so far, all with a 6'2 rider and jesse cases on the sides, so not expecting 100MPG averages. Just trying to get a feel for it. I do think the last couple of trips to the gas station I could have put a lot more in than I did, the auto-cut off was cutting me off.

See stupid question, in just the right location.

Another one. sometimes when I am shifting at a light I will try to shift and it will show no gear and it takes a second before it will let me shift down again. I am guessing this is more operator error than anything else, right? It reminds me to downshift as a stop and not just top in 6th and click down.
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