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Old 11-13-2012, 07:57 AM   #3001
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Nope. The small bolts (three each side) that hold the side panels on. On each side they run along from the filler along the air filter area. They're only small (M4, I think).
Got it, yeah those are small metal (maybe brass) inserts into the tank on the black tank versions. I think those can be replaced. Our local dealer replaced a couple that were ripped out of a 390 in a crash. My 09 450 has the natural color tank and uses the wood screws straight into the plastic.
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Old 11-13-2012, 07:36 PM   #3002
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Could a backwards Can Am fuel filter cause significant mid to high RPM power loss?

Took my new 570 back to the dealer to get checked out. Posted a page or so back about a my bike having lame power. Hit mid range and it just lays flat and ceases to make more power. It sounds very choked up or restricted. The dealer supposedly desmogged and installed the offroad map (and charged me $100 for it!)

The service manager saw the can am filter and immediately tried to blame it on that. He kept saying that it wasn't needed and that " you must be read all those online forums; you can't really believe all of that stuff!" (I tried to explain the reason I bought the bike was because of the forums and not from his infinite wisdom.)

The only thing I am afraid of is if the filter is backwards somehow. Installed the can am filter very early on and don't remember the bike being any different before the filter. I did wrap the filter several times in heat shield and covered up the flow direction arrow and had to uncover it once to recheck the direction. About 90% sure it is the right way.

Would a backwards filter run at all? Could it possibly be the root of my problem? I had to leave to bike for who knows how long and I would hate for this to be the problem.
Just to update. Spoke to the owner of the dealership for a while Saturday and he insists that the bike is fine. He says is wheelies like crazy for him. He did say that I need to look into getting a more free flowing exhaust. I am wondering now if my problem was a combo of old oil in air filter (I cleaned it but couldn't really get on it hard in my neighborhood but felt no difference) and too high expectations. He did drop the labor charges that were pissing me off the most.

Picked it up a couple of hours ago but didn't get a chance to ride it. Happy that the charges were dropped and I hope it rides better tomorrow. We will see.
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Old 11-13-2012, 10:52 PM   #3003
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Still doesn't sound right, and none of the 70 degree Bergs need a change of exhaust to make them go better. The 570 should have its front wheel coming up all the way through to 4th if you are up it a bit.
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Old 11-14-2012, 06:34 AM   #3004
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Cruz did Australia recieve the same model FE570S that is being discussed here? I know that you guys usually get more opened up bikes because they dont have to pass the draconian CARB (california air resources board) requirements that bikes in the US must to become "50 state compliant.' Our model of the FE570S comes with a bunch of emissions crap and a plugged up pipe IOT meet that requirement. Now my 570s would still snap my arms straight even with the OEM pipe, but lot of folks here go into that OEM pipe and cut it up to "open it up."
Of course if you got the exact same bike down there then all my typing has been a waste of time
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Old 11-14-2012, 02:07 PM   #3005
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FE390 for long distances

Good day everyone,
I have been lurking this thread for the last few days and I am having issues finding answers. (I tried searching)

All my questions pertain to the FE390, I'm not very interested in the 450 or 570.

I currently have a Husqvarna TE250, and i love it off road, but it is terrible on the highway. I want a bike I can take on the highway for long periods at a time. Something like a DRZ400, but actually good offroad.

I understand the FE390 needs more maintenance than a DRZ, and I know it can't carry the same amount of luggage.

But with good touring tires, a better seat, proper gearing, balanced wheels, and a safari tank. Would the FE390 be a plausible long distance machine?

How are vibrations on the highway (65mph or 100km/h)? Does it skitter around when other vehicles pass by?

I basically want a real dirt bike that I can turn into a long distance cruiser and back again.

The KTM 350exc-F also intrigues me, but I have read it is pretty awful on the highway.

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Old 11-14-2012, 02:57 PM   #3006
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Good day everyone,
I have been lurking this thread for the last few days and I am having issues finding answers. (I tried searching)

All my questions pertain to the FE390, I'm not very interested in the 450 or 570.

I currently have a Husqvarna TE250, and i love it off road, but it is terrible on the highway. I want a bike I can take on the highway for long periods at a time. Something like a DRZ400, but actually good offroad.

I understand the FE390 needs more maintenance than a DRZ, and I know it can't carry the same amount of luggage.

But with good touring tires, a better seat, proper gearing, balanced wheels, and a safari tank. Would the FE390 be a plausible long distance machine?

How are vibrations on the highway (65mph or 100km/h)? Does it skitter around when other vehicles pass by?

I basically want a real dirt bike that I can turn into a long distance cruiser and back again.

The KTM 350exc-F also intrigues me, but I have read it is pretty awful on the highway.

Thanks
Well, the FE's are dirtbikes so they will never match the comfort of a real street bike. I recently switched from a DRZ400E to a FE450 and a couple of your asumptions are wrong. I had both bikes in the garage all summer, and rode both. I have also ridden the FE390. After riding the FE450, the DRZ400 just seems lame.

The DRZ400 is actually quite good offroad. But I can honestly say, that the FE450 (390) is better than the DRZ in every way, It is very much the modern, high-performance replacement for it. It is also much better on the highway. With the six speed, and stock gearing, you can cruise all day at 120kph with no effort and give up NOTHING in terms of offroad performance. I have had the FE450 still accelerating quite briskly and smoothly at over 140kph when I decided that it wasn't a good idea to take it any further.

As far as vibes go, it runs as smooth as the DRZ, maybe even smoother. I have always thought the the FE570 would be the ultimate kick-ass dual-sport bike.
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Old 11-14-2012, 04:32 PM   #3007
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Good day everyone,
I have been lurking this thread for the last few days and I am having issues finding answers. (I tried searching)

All my questions pertain to the FE390, I'm not very interested in the 450 or 570.

I currently have a Husqvarna TE250, and i love it off road, but it is terrible on the highway. I want a bike I can take on the highway for long periods at a time. Something like a DRZ400, but actually good offroad.

I understand the FE390 needs more maintenance than a DRZ, and I know it can't carry the same amount of luggage.

But with good touring tires, a better seat, proper gearing, balanced wheels, and a safari tank. Would the FE390 be a plausible long distance machine?

How are vibrations on the highway (65mph or 100km/h)? Does it skitter around when other vehicles pass by?

I basically want a real dirt bike that I can turn into a long distance cruiser and back again.

The KTM 350exc-F also intrigues me, but I have read it is pretty awful on the highway.

Thanks
Smiley,

I can give you my take on it. I have done just what you want to other than a Safari tank. I'm happy with the 70degree subtank for now.

I would say the FE390 is the smoothest of all the 70 degree FE models, just because it is slinging around less rotating mass in the engine. The 390 with proper map on it and OEM gearing and balanced tires, cruises down the highway very nicely at 65-70. Keep in mind real knobbies always add some vibe back in. I have a Renazo seat (you have to change the OEM seat if you want to do long miles) and ridden mine at least 1000 miles of pavement so far and other than lack of a windscreen, it's easily as comfortable as my old DRZ400S. Also I don't think it needs service as often as people think. I have over 2000 miles on mine and I might get around to checking the valves one of these days. Many on here say the valves barely drift at all on these engine, just ask Lukas, HighFive or Lost Rider.


The FE390 will also carry a decent load if you use a Giant Loop or Wolfman soft bag carrier.

The FE Series, especially the FE390 is MUCH smoother than the KTM or other vertical pumpers. KTM Corp guys at a recent KTM Rally agreed with me that the 70 degree engines were definitely smoother than the conventional engine configs.

Here is two FE390's saddled up for hard technical and dual-sport duty.



They worked amazingly well for being a real dirtbike, as long as you don't expect wheelies-in-every gear power.
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Old 11-14-2012, 06:24 PM   #3008
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Old 11-14-2012, 06:29 PM   #3009
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Smiley,

I can give you my take on it. I have done just what you want to other than a Safari tank. I'm happy with the 70degree subtank for now.

I would say the FE390 is the smoothest of all the 70 degree FE models, just because it is slinging around less rotating mass in the engine. The 390 with proper map on it and OEM gearing and balanced tires, cruises down the highway very nicely at 65-70. Keep in mind real knobbies always add some vibe back in. I have a Renazo seat (you have to change the OEM seat if you want to do long miles) and ridden mine at least 1000 miles of pavement so far and other than lack of a windscreen, it's easily as comfortable as my old DRZ400S. Also I don't think it needs service as often as people think. I have over 2000 miles on mine and I might get around to checking the valves one of these days. Many on here say the valves barely drift at all on these engine, just ask Lukas, HighFive or Lost Rider.


The FE390 will also carry a decent load if you use a Giant Loop or Wolfman soft bag carrier.

The FE Series, especially the FE390 is MUCH smoother than the KTM or other vertical pumpers. KTM Corp guys at a recent KTM Rally agreed with me that the 70 degree engines were definitely smoother than the conventional engine configs.

Here is two FE390's saddled up for hard technical and dual-sport duty.



They worked amazingly well for being a real dirtbike, as long as you don't expect wheelies-in-every gear power.
Size of the Rollies on the bike??
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Old 11-14-2012, 08:33 PM   #3010
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Cruz did Australia recieve the same model FE570S that is being discussed here? I know that you guys usually get more opened up bikes because they dont have to pass the draconian CARB (california air resources board) requirements that bikes in the US must to become "50 state compliant.' Our model of the FE570S comes with a bunch of emissions crap and a plugged up pipe IOT meet that requirement. Now my 570s would still snap my arms straight even with the OEM pipe, but lot of folks here go into that OEM pipe and cut it up to "open it up."
Of course if you got the exact same bike down there then all my typing has been a waste of time
Cruz can answer when he gets back, but I can tell you that in my exploring over the net and my bike, there a a shitload of bits and pieces and plugs and wires on my 450 that go nowhere where in the US they have 'things' on the end of them. So I'd say YES we get the bike it was meant to be, and you are going the way of those dickheads in Europe with their fun-smothering rules.
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Old 11-14-2012, 09:17 PM   #3011
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Size of the Rollies on the bike??
3 Mediums and one Large strapped on top. Full camping setup. (from this thread http://advrider.com/forums/showthread.php?t=820748)
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Old 11-14-2012, 09:43 PM   #3012
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Cruz can answer when he gets back, but I can tell you that in my exploring over the net and my bike, there a a shitload of bits and pieces and plugs and wires on my 450 that go nowhere where in the US they have 'things' on the end of them. So I'd say YES we get the bike it was meant to be, and you are going the way of those dickheads in Europe with their fun-smothering rules.

Isn't that the truth. At least up yonder in Washington/Pacific Northwet my 390 was sold as pure dirt, no smog crap, and I added the minimalist wires and lights back in to make it just barely pass muster as street legal. After taking the stupid perf screen restrictor (which is NOT the spark arrestor BTW) off the back of the OEM can, and getting the "competition map", the pipe flows plenty well enough to get great power out of the 390, and still stay reasonably quiet. If I ever did change the pipe, which I doubt, it would be with a Wings can.
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Old 11-15-2012, 01:10 AM   #3013
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Cruz can answer when he gets back, but I can tell you that in my exploring over the net and my bike, there a a shitload of bits and pieces and plugs and wires on my 450 that go nowhere where in the US they have 'things' on the end of them. So I'd say YES we get the bike it was meant to be, and you are going the way of those dickheads in Europe with their fun-smothering rules.
Yeah, what Mr duk said above, ours are unrestricted over here.

Agree completely with Cyborg re the 390, once the wheels are balanced then it is very smooth on the highway. Have ridden a few 200+ klms at 100 kph or more on tar with no problems, it is actually a lot smoother and more responsive than my 650 XChallenge was on the highway, and it was pretty good. Fuel economy is very good on the hot map setting, always get over 200 klm from the oem tank. I look at the 390 as a WR250R on steroids and weight loss plus fitted with superb suspension and brakes. I do have a Cush hub fitted which smoothes things out a bit more than standard. All I want is an oil cooler or more oil capacity, I think a quality oil cooler would suffice.
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Old 11-15-2012, 12:58 PM   #3014
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Are you guys finding a catalyst within the stock exhaust/header?

Someone pointed out a catalyst removed from their 570. I looked in my muffler/midpipe junction and couldn't find one. I'm not the original owner. I have not looked in the header.

Anyone find one? Cyborg?
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Old 11-15-2012, 01:32 PM   #3015
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Are you guys finding a catalyst within the stock exhaust/header?

Someone pointed out a catalyst removed from their 570. I looked in my muffler/midpipe junction and couldn't find one. I'm not the original owner. I have not looked in the header.

Anyone find one? Cyborg?
I know there isn't one in my header and midpipe, had that off for ceramic coating. I doubt the "offroad" OEM can on my 390 has a cat. I can't see it from either end, just the Krizman spark arrestor about 1/3 in from the outlet end. My guess is only the FE/FS570s sold as 50-state street legal had all that smog stuff on them.
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